dude i don't know where you're gettin' your info from but its pure bullshit
What's really happening in Pakistan?
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dude i don't know where you're gettin' your info from but its pure bullshit
CyberRose
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pakistan still sees india as its main threat, that probably will never change.
iROBOT
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Judging by what's been happening to this part o the world, I think "Pakistan" as an entity is endangered.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not really.
Pakistan has the same problems as any other developing nation, one of which is that the divide of opinion between centre (mostly the urban areas) and periphery (the rural areas) is massive, so your (relatively) sophisticated urban-dwellers do want to live in a democracy, do want peace and secularism, and their voices are the ones heard in the media. Then again, they only represent that urban opinion, not the opinion of all Pakistanis.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bits of territory fall off the map of Pakistan like fingers off a leper.
CyberRose
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Perhaps, however I don't think that justifies saying what TomUS said was "pure bullshit". Realistically, if Pakistan doesn't see the Taliban as a greater threat than India, then it should. Years and years of ISI funding and training these fuckers are now starting to come back and bite it in the arsehole. Of course, the Kashmiri problem will probably never go away due to its geographical strategic importance to both countries, well, mainly to Pakistan as Indian control over the region provides an excellent weapon against Pakistan, but not sure if the same is true of Pakistani control over the region. Still, both sides have nukes and both want the "edge" over the other, and one "edge" is Kashmir.
However, India doesn't pose the kind of imminent threat that the Taliban do. India can't realistically occupy and rule Pakistan - the Taliban can
YouSir
Retired from Urban
I'd doubt that to some degree, as has been said here already, what's passing for the Taliban in Pakistan is largely just a load of mercenaries running rackets, they can control their small packages of territory whilst they're not too at odds with local bosses but any attempt at a wider government would just end up in a mess. If anything they'd do just enough to turn the rest of Pakistan into what their sections, and much of Afghanistan, already is, a collection of fiefdoms sporadically fighting and making low level deals with the more formal Pakistani government and, probably, the US as they look to have a say in the area.
India won't get involved at all I shouldn't think, unless total collapse does come, there's no reason for them to get involved in the mess really and there're enough moderates in power there to keep the guys who habitually want to blow up their neighbours in check.
Over 2 million displaced already and it looks like this war will drag on and go into the other areas along the Afghan border.
This offensive has come after a good deal of pressure from the USA. The US strategic aim is to keep fighting the Taliban and their counterparts in Pakistan. The Americans are planning to build another super embassy like the one in Iraq.
This offensive has come after a good deal of pressure from the USA. The US strategic aim is to keep fighting the Taliban and their counterparts in Pakistan. The Americans are planning to build another super embassy like the one in Iraq.
newharper
Manxome Tove
Of course not. India will be standing on the outside cheering on the clusterfuck that is the present position. Natch there will be contingency plans.
ohmyliver
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I was more confused by you seemingly seeing 'muslim' as a solid block...
CyberRose
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I don't see why you should have interpreted what I said as "seemingly seeing 'muslim' in a block", unless of course you were attempting a piss poor effort at the great "U75 call somebody a racist and get your arse licked by your comrades" game?
ohmyliver
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sorry, didn't mean to rattle yer cage... it just sat uneasily with me, I've had very little sleep this week, see
CyberRose
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I was specifically referring to the Respect/SWP movement that is supposedly a socialist/working class movement who realised the only way they could get someone elected is by targeting the most Muslim constituency they could and hype them up about the Iraq war being "against Muslims". This tactic worked and Galloway was elected, but in order to target council seats they carried on with the same tactic by playing on the sensitivities of Muslim communities which also had the result of a high proportion of Muslim candidates (some of whom were from very dubious backgrounds) being put forward. Now Respect/SWP has been so indoctrinated by this desperate attempt to gain power by targeting a minority group that that's all they care about any more. Galloway tours the country ranting about Palestine when he's supposed to be a socialist campaigning for working class needs (in fact I rarely see an SWP stall that isn't plastered with anti-war posters and a tiny mention of something called a recession
Anyway, the original point was that these people are about as trustworthy source of information as the government (in fact, a lot less so IMO)
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