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What would you cut?

Sorry trev....But if you look carefully at the budget for any local council and what they do for it i think you will find they collectivelly waste billions.....And yes they do make nasty cuts at times....Cuts that can effect the most disadvantaged people while they continue to spend and waste money like there is no tommorow.....

Yes very true. When the local authorities cut they cut front line services never the waste.

My other half ( a dyed in the wool socialist btw) was saying that the tories cut the library service in one borough so that there wasn't a specialist librarian in each library. However, I pointed out that more people are aware of how to search for information so you probably don't need a librarian in each library. She didn't agree :D
 
Oh yeah thats another thing id cut....The prison population....I would give prisoners shorter sentences in return for getting them to work their bollocks off when they are in prison...I would get them building things...renovating houses and making things....sort of slave labour if you like....
 
I don't see a problem in using aid to promote enlightenment values. After all other countries are quite happy to use their aid money to promote unenlightenment values.

You can do that to your heart's content with your own money. Don't start giving other people's money away to try and impose some sort of progressive morality on foreign countries.
 
I'm sorry, but NHS Direct? Bollocks. The only times I've ever phoned that I've been told to go and see my doctor. So, basically, you staff a call centre with people with people who can't accurately diagnose over the phone, who can't actually treat patients, who basically are limited to telling people to go and see their doctor or go to hospital. Abolish the stupid call centres and any qualified medical staff who are currently working in those stupid call centres, reassign them to working in clinics or hospitals and dealing with real people, treating patients.

The worst thing about NHS direct is that the people you talk to are qualified nurses. Which, given that all they do is type what you tell them into a computer and read out what the screen tells them, seems a ridiculous waste of nurses. It's not as though we've an overabundance of them as it is ffs.

My suggestion is to curb the vast resources of the DWP/Jobcentre to the extent that the bulk of their cash is actually used to help those in need rather than harassing, stalking and criminalising them. All those odious private 'training' companies that jobseekers are farmed out to should be cut loose immediately, they're about as cost effective as burning money and staffed exclusively by iredeemable cunts.
 
Oh yeah thats another thing id cut....The prison population....I would give prisoners shorter sentences in return for getting them to work their bollocks off when they are in prison...I would get them building things...renovating houses and making things....sort of slave labour if you like....

Not a bad idea. I think you'd need a more PR friendly term than slave labour though.

Agree that sentences for non violent prisoners should be reduced for those who are not afflicted by idleness.
 
Oh yeah thats another thing id cut....The prison population....I would give prisoners shorter sentences in return for getting them to work their bollocks off when they are in prison...I would get them building things...renovating houses and making things....sort of slave labour if you like....

Slave labour eh? They've already thought of that one I'm afraid. Only in their version it's not the populace as a whole that benefits from prison labour, but rather unscrupulous private companies who spunk in their pants at the thought of workers with no free will and who you don't have to pay.
 
Not a bad idea. I think you'd need a more PR friendly term than slave labour though.

Agree that sentences for non violent prisoners should be reduced for those who are not afflicted by idleness.

I disagree. Slave Labour would be a good term to use.
I think you need to make clear to people that it wouldnt be a cosy option....But i hate the fact that we continue to send so many people to prisons and it costs a fortune and does very little to stop crime.
I think prisoners need to have choices and take responsiblity not be locked away for 21 hours a day.....You could cut sentences in half for many prisoners in return for them working hard...They would get slave labour wages and a chance to learn new skills..Much better for them and much better for the taxpayer......
 
I disagree. Slave Labour would be a good term to use.

I wouldn't use it for people working for enhanced dole though. Not everyone on the dole is an idle bludger.

I think you need to make clear to people that it wouldnt be a cosy option....But i hate the fact that we continue to send so many people to prisons and it costs a fortune and does very little to stop crime.
I think prisoners need to have choices and take responsiblity not be locked away for 21 hours a day.....You could cut sentences in half for many prisoners in return for them working hard...They would get slave labour wages and a chance to learn new skills..Much better for them and much better for the taxpayer......


However I agree that using the slave labour or hard labour term would be suitable for work schemes involving prisoners so that the public didn't think that it was too soft.
 
Prison isn't a cosy option, it's an overcrowded nightmare where the strong terrorise the weak and violence is endemic. Currently we're following a US model of private prisons which if the evidence from over there is anything to go by are much worse. Read some of the reports on prison rape in the US if you can stomach it.
 
Being in the process of re-reading "Lions, Donkeys and Dinosaurs", I'd be cutting a swathe through the MOD. I'm all in favour of our having a military, but the one we've got is hamstrung by all kinds of idiotic factors, including far too many staff officers, and a procurement process that has been consistently b0rked for decades.

In fact, I'd go one step further - I'd simply refuse to do any business with BAe, and farm it out to other companies (probably foreign ones, since BAe is a virtual monopoly in the UK). I reckon that could start generating savings of £3-5bn per annum, minimum. Even i we gave everyone laid off as a result a free car, lottery tickets for life and free Sky Sports, I reckon we'd still be quids in.
 
Cut the Arts Council? Yeah, no more museums, no more art galleries, no more fucking culture getting in the way of work work work. No more fucking artists poncing around covered in paint refusing to do a hard days work.

Fucksake Zachor, your Britain is even shitter than this one.

You talk about divisiveness, your undivided Britain is one where we are all equally fucked, grey drones, slaved to machines or prison cells, unable to get sick or raise families unless we've rolled the sixes in life, and with nothing to look forward to or enjoy ourselves with.

You're sick man.
 
Also, I've used NHS Direct twice and both times found them to be very helpful indeed.
 
You can do that to your heart's content with your own money. Don't start giving other people's money away to try and impose some sort of progressive morality on foreign countries.

^^^ these are your bedfellows now zachor. Humanitarianism is a game for the independently wealthy.
 
I'm sorry, but NHS Direct? Bollocks. The only times I've ever phoned that I've been told to go and see my doctor. So, basically, you staff a call centre with people with people who can't accurately diagnose over the phone, who can't actually treat patients, who basically are limited to telling people to go and see their doctor or go to hospital.

In my experience, NHS direct has been very helpful and informative. Even my Mum (who is a bit call-centre phobic) has used them successfully. She finds that she is far more likely to get a decent Doctor's appointment if she tells the receptionist that NHS direct has advised urgent GP attention. It's not so easy to fob her off with an appointment next week then, as they realise that they are challenging another professional opinion, not just an uppitty old lady.

The worst thing about NHS direct is that the people you talk to are qualified nurses. Which, given that all they do is type what you tell them into a computer and read out what the screen tells them, seems a ridiculous waste of nurses. It's not as though we've an overabundance of them as it is ffs.

In the first instance you speak to an advisor, who collects your info and "reads out what the screen tells them". Then, if the query isn't something straightforward you are passed to a qualified nurse for further clinical assessment.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/zone.aspx?zonename=JobRole_Zone

NHS direct is one Govt initiative which is well worth the money, IMO
 
decriminalise spliff, E's and coke and tax them. it would turn a cost running into 9 figures into tax revenues of at least the same.
 
Cut the Arts Council? Yeah, no more museums, no more art galleries, no more fucking culture getting in the way of work work work. No more fucking artists poncing around covered in paint refusing to do a hard days work.

So unless we have a state funded department of whatever there will be no artists. They could still paint shit or look at dinosaur eggs or whatever if they wanted they just wouldn't be subsidised by other people's money who have no choice in the matter.

Why is the taxpayer paying for stuff like this?

http://www.artswales.org.uk/viewentry.asp?id=6947

2009 sees Kylie Ann and Jayde performing their new dance theatre performance 'Mr & Mrs Lampshade' which takes a look at the boring and monotonous relationships in the family home, using tap dance, idiosyncratic movement, live jazz and original music, complete with fairy lights and lampshades for heads

I don't contest their right to do or anyone else's right to enjoy it but why the FUCK is any business of the government? And why the FUCK should anyone who is not a fan of lampshades-on-head interpretative dance be forced to partially pay for it?
 
also - i'd rather increase taxes on the rich and FTSE 2350 firms, and organise a EU-USA-china tagteam-wipeout of tax havens
 
All this workfare and slaved prisoners is utter nonsense. We don't need more people to work. We don't all need to work as hard as we do. Unemployment is an economic goal in our system. No government since the 1960s has even mentioned full employment as a political commitment. Those unemployed are strategically created. They keep down wages, union power and inflation.

I would personally cut taxes.

All earnings below £18k are tax free. Everything above is 50% tax. Abolish NI.

I was going to go on - but I would be typing all day.
 
bin trident
have proper defense review leaving the treasury out of it
bin PFI's configure the military to do what we assume are the next 30 years worth of threats not what the military want. cut a swathe through the MOD and
its procurement people.
bin the idea that the military be run like a business war stocks of tents sleeping bags 4x4s heavy plant and helicopters kind of handy to have when the shit hits the fan :(
bring ammo and explosive in house get remploy to run the factories can tick over in times of peace can ramp up when needed.
bin workfare the new deal and private companies get the DWP to run the system properly
ban state and councils using management consultants bin 50% of Quangos
bin Id scheme and most government IT schemes
 
OK we are in the beginings of a very serious economic crisis. Cuts in taxpayer funded expenditure need to be made. We are in the equivalent situation to the end of the second world war economically. We are broke and the victims of appalling economic mismanagment by New Labour on top of the legacy of the wholesale destruction of our industrial base by Thatcher.

So what would you cut? Here's my suggestions for cuts and changes in priorities.

Trident replacement
Its not necessary and takes funding away from our conventional forces which is sorely required.
Yeah. I think us being a nuclear power is something of a vanity project, really.

ID cards and other database projects that intrude on the law abiding individual.
Yep. Actually, I think I'd take out "law-abiding individual" there - I'd rather see such database projects proposed on their merits, not the solidness of the citizenry they're monitoring.

Cut a lot of the public sector IT projects and bring back in house the development of those essential IT projects. IT specialists individually hired on temp contracts would be cheaper than giving EDS and Fujitsu taxpayers dosh. Too many of these rubbish IT projects seem to be run by private sector organisations.
Well, actually, I'm going to need to disagree here. Sure, the likes of EDS have made out like bandits on government contracts, and they're certainly not blameless. But I think that the real responsibility lies in the procurement and oversight area. I've worked for companies involved in government-related IT, and it is a complete bloody nightmare, with no-one knowing what they really want, and everyone wanting a slice of the pie more for political or expediency reasons than practical ones. If you took the whole thing in-house, I think you'd probably end up with even worse problems.

Close down Dept of Culture Media and Sport and re allocate their functions elsewhere.
*shrug* Can't see that making any difference, unless you're planning to cut their budget in the process...and I think that's not something I'd automatically agree with.

Do not enter into any more PFI projects.
Well, yes, except that's not going to help our finances particularly in the short term. Indeed, it might increase the liabilities - hospitals and schools need building/upgrading/replacing, so it's either done by PFI (jam tomorrow) or we pay up front...

Introduce a local income tax to make local government more responsive.
Oh, I think we should do this anyway. Down with regressive taxes and do as much of it as is feasible on some kind of income-related basis.

Cut back by at least two thirds to three quarters on social engineering type projects and posts. Sack most of the diversity officers as they do nothing but divide human from human.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, though I suspect I know. And, while some of the "diversity" stuff is a waste of money, I suspect that - like social work - we only see the loonier bits, not the good stuff. We need people to foster and encourage cultural integration.

A total cut back on the faff such as real nappy officers, five a day co-ordinators, community development advisers and such like.
I think you'll find a lot of these people actually represent pretty good value. Again, I don't think it's as clear cut a waste of money as you're suggesting.

Introduce a cap on local govt top salaries. Its obscene that we as taxpayers are funding an elite of nonentities such as Sir Robin Wales to the tune of 100k plus. When the current contracts for top jobs are advertised then the replacement posts should be advertised at at least 25% less than their predecessor.
Disagree. By all means institute policies to make sure that we're getting value for money from our people, but we need managers and executives of the right calibre to do this job, which means we need to be able to compete with industry for them. This problem has already been evident in the lower levels, where public sector jobs, after years of pay freezes, caps, and so on, command much lower salaries than equivalent positions elsewhere and the calibre of many of the staff reflects that.

Reduce the layers of management in the public sector.
Yep. See also my post re MOD and staff officers - it's an endemic problem. There's even a word for it: "featherbedding".

Introduce rigorous assessment of programmes such as Sure Start to make sure that those running them are not just box ticking and that they are having a REAL positive impact on peoples lives and are not just providing a living for those members of New Labour's New Old Boy network.
Your agenda's showing a bit :) I'd say introduce rigorous assessment of ALL programmes, from Eurofighter down. And do the assessment on an ongoing basis, too, so we can catch "feature creep" and stupid expectations BEFORE they end up costing us money, not after.

Streamline social services. Focus the money where it does the most good.
Utterly disagree. Social services is rather too "streamlined" as it is - case loads are stratospheric, there are serious recruiting problems with social work, management quality is often appalling, resourcing likewise. The last thing the social care network needs is more purse-string tightening. What it needs is good leadership, good management, and some decent support. And some sniper rifles for dealing with populist fuckwits who think it's easy copy to write vituperative and often incorrect rubbish about social workers (No, I'm not one. But I know a man who is).

Introduce Workfare for those unemployed who are fit mentally and physically and without caring responsibilities that cannot be alleviated by such things as childcare provision.
Yes, but again I don't think this is really to do with getting us out of an economic crisis. I do think that some kind of - non-punitive - process for keeping unemployed (and long-term sick, as appropriate) people from disconnecting from society would be a good thing. I'd actually make it voluntary, with incentives, rather than compulsory and quite probably punitive, though some element of compulsion might not be a bad idea.

Reduce the petty enforcement culture that has surrounded the average citizen with jobsworths.
Can't argue with that.

Reduce the current level of economic migration and only allow in those people who are doing jobs where it is difficult to get an employee who is a UK citizen.
So long as that's all it is, that idea has some legs. But the danger is that this is historically the Trojan Horse that the far-right and racist groups use - once you're starting to take people's ethnic origins into account to decide how to deal with them, you're beginning down a slippery slope...we'd need to be REALLY careful about that.

Reduce the amount of Govt PR fluff both local and national. Propaganda sheets such as the late and unlamented 'The Londoner' should be banned.
Dunno what The Londoner is, but this sounds like a self-evidently good idea.

Local and national govt should not do anything that adversely affects budding businesses unless there is a pressing need to do so. This would hopefully see an end to the CPZ's which are killing many small shops and other businesses.
I suspect Agenda here, so I'll reserve comment, save to say that prohibiting "anything that adversely affects budding businesses" sounds like a very good way of hamstringing an organisation. Needs to be more specific.

Stop the waste of money funding separatist groups religious and racilal and otherwise and institute a policy of multiracialism and abandon multiculturalism. Multiculturalism as practiced by many of the heirs of the 60's new left has failed and has not brought people together but has divided them. Overt discrimination of course needs to be tackled but there are too many resources wasted in this field to no benefit to either our minorities and our majority peoples.
This worries me. A lot of what is seen as wasted money "funding separatist groups" is nothing of the sort. So I'd be suspicious of what's really behind this.

Stop the privatisation of overseas focus such aid only on humanitarian aid in emergencies and only give to and co operate with such groups as prove to accept the progressive values of gender, religious, sexual and racial equality.
No.

That's as bad as US agencies deciding it's only going to give money to for AIDS assistance to people who practice abstention. We either give the aid or we don't - we don't start hedging it around with all kinds of ideological bollocks, beyond what we need to do to make sure it doesn't end up in the Swiss bank account of some dictator.

And words like "progressive" make my blood run cold.

Stop universal child benefit and make it available only to main carers earning under 18k..
*shrug*


I'm sure other people could think of more that could be cut
Yeah, lots :)
 
You buiild more prisons - problem solved.

Not solved at all. Now you've criminalised a bunch of people and not only are you having to pay for their accommodation, you're having to pay quite an expensive group of people to keep them in there. Futile, disappearing-up-its-own-arse pointless bollocks. I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course. :)
 
So unless we have a state funded department of whatever there will be no artists. They could still paint shit or look at dinosaur eggs or whatever if they wanted they just wouldn't be subsidised by other people's money who have no choice in the matter.

Why is the taxpayer paying for stuff like this?

http://www.artswales.org.uk/viewentry.asp?id=6947



I don't contest their right to do or anyone else's right to enjoy it but why the FUCK is any business of the government? And why the FUCK should anyone who is not a fan of lampshades-on-head interpretative dance be forced to partially pay for it?

What about a project I've been involved in? A series of photography workshops and a book, by homeless people. Should that not be funded?
 
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