Fisher_Gate
Active Member
I guess he meant the People's Justice Party - originally Justice for Kashmir, now (almost) defunct. It's former secretary is one of the few people who has aligned himself witht the SWP side of the split.
What will be the new name for the SWP front?
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I guess he meant the People's Justice Party - originally Justice for Kashmir, now (almost) defunct. It's former secretary is one of the few people who has aligned himself witht the SWP side of the split.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
Damn you got me, i'm actually an anti-Kosovan from Hull and i've deliberately widended my stance to also oppose Kurds.
Just clearing that up for the innocent bystanders who might've thought I was a non-racist who had accidentally confused Kurds with Kashmiris.
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
Alongside the overwhelming majority of Respect branches and people like Valerie Wise, former leftwing Leader of Preston Council, Kumar Murshid, former Left wing Labour cllr and adviser to Ken Livingstone, Mark Serwotka, leader of a major trade union etc.
You mean Raghib Ahsan, whom you have previously praised as a former member of the International Marxist Group and 4th International, former left wing Labour Councillor and President of Birmingham TUC, who has just won ten year battle against the Labour Party when the Law Lords argued that his deselection at a time when he was "the most prominent black political figure in the city" as a candidate at a time was based on racism.
http://www.newleftreview.org/?view=21
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
You should be careful about some of the company you are keeping there. There are some things you don't know everything about.
thats alright - there are quite a lot of things you don't know ANYTHING about - doesn't stop you from posting though, does it?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Bit of a cheek for the SWP to go on about the "rich Bengali businessmen" supporting Galloway and the perils of working too closely with reformists ... how many socialists have taken Livingstone's shilling, own a posh restaurant in Covent Garden or put themselves forward for selection as a Labour parliamentary candidate in Tower Hamlets?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Certainly - I don't know ANYTHING about the rules of Lacrosse, or Rap music, or who won the FA cup in 1974 ...
Try asking John Rees whether there is anything the membership of SWP should know about any of their allies that might cause them some embarrassment in the future?
Oh sorry ... I forgot ... he doesn't need to tell you anything does he?
liampreston
Spend time, not money
The Preston...er..."Respect" candidate is indeed currently a blank space on the ballot paper, but there is nothing in law stopping him from canvassing as a supporter of the party, hence the many numbers of weekends of late we've seen him, Michael Lavellette and dozens others wearing the, erm, green and red of Respect colours on the local byelection here.
As a point of note, by the way, I do genuinely wish Barry well, because he seems a decent enough chap who seems as bemused as anyone of the goings on with the "split".
Anyway, the point is, the SWP need a new name, as Linda Smith remains the nominating officer so could clearly tell SWP-types to go shoot when they come asking for use of the Respect name..."Democratic Socialist Allian..." no, sorry, hang on...."People Before Prof..." No, again...er..."Socialist Alli...." heh, not easy this is it?
As a point of note, by the way, I do genuinely wish Barry well, because he seems a decent enough chap who seems as bemused as anyone of the goings on with the "split".
Anyway, the point is, the SWP need a new name, as Linda Smith remains the nominating officer so could clearly tell SWP-types to go shoot when they come asking for use of the Respect name..."Democratic Socialist Allian..." no, sorry, hang on...."People Before Prof..." No, again...er..."Socialist Alli...." heh, not easy this is it?
liampreston
Spend time, not money
[slumps in chair]
You see, I try to be funny....
You see, I try to be funny....
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
The SWP tried but cannot do it, because the conference was not legitimate. Also they have not removed Elaine Graham-Leigh as Treasurer even though they are trying to put forward the fiction that Jackie Turner is now Treasurer of Respect. The Electoral Commission will be after Elaine Graham-Leigh shortly, for her side of the story about the £5,000 cheque from an anti-union tory-linked business in Dubai.
Jim - the SWP have completely messed this up, I do not know why you try to defend them.
http://www.electoralcommission.org....fm?frmGB=1&frmPartyID=467&frmType=partydetail
Register of political parties
Respect - The Unity Coalition
....
Party officers:
Leader: Ms Linda Smith
Nominating Officer: Ms Linda Smith
Treasurer: Ms Elaine Graham-Leigh
http://respectcoalition.org/index.php?ite=1697
Minutes of National Council (sic) Meeting - 2 December 2007
...
2. Election of Officers
The National Council unanimously voted on the following people to form the National Officers group. .... Jackie Turner - Treasurer,
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Hmmm. Look like it's going to be "The Left List" for the London elections. But obviously they can't use that in the Council elections elsewhere, so it's all a bit baffling.
http://www.respectcoalition.org/pdf/f770.pdf
http://www.respectcoalition.org/pdf/f770.pdf
liampreston
Spend time, not money
Why Can't they use "Left List" in council elections?
Geoff Collier
Active Member
Preumably, he means that a single person isn't a list.
What I'd like FG to tell us is what's happening with the RR idea for a wider GLA list. The Respectsupporter blog reprints without comment something from the Guardian which claims there will be a "Respect" (sic) list comprising GG, Ken Loach, Harry Landis and Linda Smith. I presume that isn't what was intended in January? What name will be on the ballot paper, I wonder?
Incidentally, although the Guardian claims that Ken Loach is the "well known film director" I heard him referred to as Ken Roach on the BBC this morning. Admittedly it was Brian Matthews on Radio 2's Sounds of the Sixties.
Weekly Worker also confirm that their sources say Respect will be forced to use the name Left List, due to Linda Smiths actions. I cant see RR ever being forgiven by the working class movement for their actions in deliberately trying to sabotage the Respect GLA Bid.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Jim, give me one good reason why the SWP cannot meet with Linda Smith and other NC members to discuss the GLA candidacies?
And it now looks like the SWP are so incompetent they haven't got round to registering "Left List" either.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
you're right. it was SW who defended George Galloway from Salma and Ken over the big brother issue. if SW had joined in with Salma and Ken at that point, it is highly likely George Galloway would have walked, and SW would have been left the dominant force in respect (if it survived). I wonder why SW didn't do that, if all they have ever wanted is control?
PS. you are right about the criticisms of socialists in respect renewal. there are many decent people in there, who should not be criticised apoliticaly imo.
PPS. Geof are you a Socialist worker supporter?
Geoff Collier
Active Member
I'd use the word sympathiser.
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
Still trying to work out whether these people are serious about global revolution or whether it's a hobby that gives them something to do for a weekend/evening round the university campus...
I want to know what happens to all of the university types who join and then leave the far left sects.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
a bit tongue in cheek seeing as the dominant ideas in any society are those of the ruling class, but do you seriously believe there will NOT be a global revolution OR a breakdown of capitalist society to some kind of mad Max scenario or mutual destruction?Still trying to work out whether these people are serious about global revolution or whether it's a hobby that gives them something to do for a weekend/evening round the university campus...
the history of human society is the history of social revolution, so how can you believe that capitalism will go on for ever?
don't know. In my personal experience of SW contact with students has played a minor part. got involved with SW around 1985. I think I was the youngest in the branch, at 25 years of age. we never had any students as in 18-21, in fact we seriously could have done with some. though some like myself did go to university later in life [me 29]. of those who have left, become inactive, most seem to be doing what they were doing when they was in the party, teachers, physiotherapists, BT worker, FE teacher, nurses, IT, unemployed, long-term sick, retired, housing workers, GP, industrial waste, town planning, etc. hope that enlightens you.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
so emanymtons comments were partially spurious, as usual. I suppose that's what you get when sectarianism masquerades as politics.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Still trying to work out whether these people are serious about global revolution or whether it's a hobby that gives them something to do for a weekend/evening round the university campus...
I want to know what happens to all of the university types who join and then leave the far left sects.
I heard a rumour that Branson was once one amongst us.
As for Preston - it looks like 'The Left Party - Respect'. This way, we keep our little star thing. Plus, in my opinion it's a far superior title in any case.
JHE
.
Richard Branson? Someone has been pulling your hind leg, Doggy! Branson has been a keen capitalist since he was a teenager at a very posh 'public' school called Stowe. He's no Trot. He is (unlike Trottery) rather depressingly popular, though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The above doesn't preclude him from RESPECT_SWP though. (nor, i suspect, the SWP).
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Ho-Ho-Ho pinny-boy. I see you're still as sharp as ever.
JHE
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Maybe they'd have him - especially if he converted to Islam - but he wouldn't want them.
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