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What to do with Abu Qatada?

What should be done with Abu Q?


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The rules are for everyone to follow. It's not right to send people to places where they are very probably going to get tortured no matter what we suspect they might have done.

Which is why - all facetiousness aside - we probably need our own humane version of Gitmo.

It would be a good idea as long as I could be commandant general of the prison camp. ;)
 
Which is why - all facetiousness aside - we probably need our own humane version of Gitmo.

It would be a good idea as long as I could be commandant general of the prison camp. ;)

You don't half talk some shite. A more humane version of 'Gitmo'?

Lets see: Guantanamo Bay is a torture camp in occupied land, far removed from the justice system of any country. Which part of that would you like to change, and what would such a facility look like?
 
You don't half talk some shite. A more humane version of 'Gitmo'?

Lets see: Guantanamo Bay is a torture camp in occupied land, far removed from the justice system of any country. Which part of that would you like to change, and what would such a facility look like?

Well we can deport him to a country where he is likely to be tortured. He is also not the only nutter of this type. Why not have a camp where such people can be held, fed, watered, excercised, allowed access to spiritual advisors etc etc? Just not allowed out to spread hatred, stir shit and actively fight against the country that has given him sanctury.

If you want a word to describe what may work then its internment.

We did it with foreign enemy aliens in WWII why not do something similar now with the considerably lesser number of enemy aliens who support such things as 7/7. I would envisage that such a camp would have a monitoring committee made up of random members of the public, representatives of the Red Cross and experts in incarceration to oversee detainees treatment.

Did I say that he should be held in a 'torture camp' no I did not so don't try to make it seem as is this is what I'm in favour of.
 
Why not have a camp where such people can be held, fed, watered, excercised, allowed access to spiritual advisors etc etc? Just not allowed out to spread hatred, stir shit and actively fight against the country that has given him sanctury.

We already have such things. We call them prisons.
 
We already have such things. We call them prisons.

Fair do's then keep him in prison. I just think it would be more humane to have special prison camps for such people. You don't want them spreading their shit amongst vunerable prisoners and due to the special nature of their incarceration it would only be right that they had a bit more freedom than being banged up for 23 out of 24 hours.
 
Fair do's then keep him in prison. I just think it would be more humane to have special prison camps for such people. You don't want them spreading their shit amongst vunerable prisoners and due to the special nature of their incarceration it would only be right that they had a bit more freedom than being banged up for 23 out of 24 hours.

He's committed a crime, has he not? Why should he get special treatment? Why should a person who got caught smoking a spliff have less 'freedom', as you put it, than a convicted terrorist?

You aren't half grasping at straws to justify your ill thought out argument.
 
He's committed a crime, has he not? Why should he get special treatment? Why should a person who got caught smoking a spliff have less 'freedom', as you put it, than a convicted terrorist?

You aren't half grasping at straws to justify your ill thought out argument.

I think people like that should be separated from the general prison population as they are wanted overseas but we can't deport them to the destinations where the crimes took place. Therefore they are a special category of prisoner.
 
Fair do's then keep him in prison. I just think it would be more humane to have special prison camps for such people. You don't want them spreading their shit amongst vunerable prisoners and due to the special nature of their incarceration it would only be right that they had a bit more freedom than being banged up for 23 out of 24 hours.
Bollocks. Utter bollocks. Political prisons for those you don't like? You make a ruling like that for one group and it is begging to be abused.
 
Bollocks. Utter bollocks. Political prisons for those you don't like? You make a ruling like that for one group and it is begging to be abused.

I can see your point of view and I can also see the dangers involved. But what do you do with people like this?

Do you really want to keep him in a closed prison for years upon years? I know I don't.

His major crimes are in countries where there is a history of torture so we cannot deport him.

We could I suppose try him here for offences committed overseas after all there is a precedent in dealing with nonces who offend overseas.

I can see how such a project could be abused thats why if such a scheme was brought in there would have to be effective safeguards.
 
Just leave him in jail FFS. Three square halal meals a day and no chance of preaching his bollocks anywhere else. Or let him be deported to Jordan. His choice, no worries.
 
Just leave him in jail FFS. Three square halal meals a day and no chance of preaching his bollocks anywhere else. Or let him be deported to Jordan. His choice, no worries.


that may well be the best option. He's out of the way, gets fed and can't push his perversion of Islam in the streets anymore.

My concern is what happens if we get more of these cases? Surely they cant all be spread about different prisons?
 
He's being kicked out of the UK:
The Law Lords have given the go-ahead for the deportation from the UK of the radical cleric Abu Qatada.

Five Lords unanimously threw out his appeal against returning to Jordan, where he faces jail for terrorism.

Qatada had alleged that his conviction in Jordan was based on evidence extracted by torture.

The 48-year-old cleric is one of Europe's most influential extremists and is currently in Belmarsh high security prison.

This key decision by the Law Lords means Home Secretary Jacqui Smith can begin deportation proceedings - but in practice his final removal may wait until after the European Court of Human Rights hears his case.

The five Lords also unanimously supported the deportation of two Algerian terrorism suspects whose cases covered similar grounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7896457.stm
 
Good Fucking Riddance.

you never came up with the evidence for your assertions that Hamas were "herding children onto the roof of a building where fighters are operating from" nor did you say what your critique of Chomsky was.
 
you never came up with the evidence for your assertions that Hamas were "herding children onto the roof of a building where fighters are operating from" nor did you say what your critique of Chomsky was.

Might get round to it but I'm not here to work Google for you. :D
 
Nato Penal colony on the north pole. Snd him up there with all the other nasty bugger. They can then make ice cubes for the rest of the world all day long!
 
Jesus - what a fucked up thread. If the desire to get rid of an obnoxious preacher is enough for you to renounce axiomatic principles of international human rights law such as not deporting people to destinations where they face the possibility of death or torture you might as well renounce your Amnesty International membership and fill in an application form for MI5 agent/the Daily Mail hack.
 
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