What stupid shit has Trump done today?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Yossarian, May 1, 2017.

  1. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    It's a tad alarmist and hyperbolic - Turkey, as Germany and a number of other NATO countries did during the cold war, said that if they were not included in the US's nuclear umbrella (which meant the protection afforded by playing host to US nukes and being included in the dual key-dual use agreements) they would be forced to develop their own nukes.

    The US agreed, and nukes were placed in those countries under the dual key-dual use arrangements.

    The 'hostage' thing is simply that Turkey is saying exactly what it said before the nukes were placed in Turkey - that without US/NATO nukes being on its territory, it would develop its own. It does not mean that there are Turkish soldiers standing outside the bomb dumps saying 'you can't leave'.
  2. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

    Erdogan and Putin to meet next week.

    I believe there's a reasonable chance Turkey will turn and work with Russia in exchange for guarantees Russia will keep the extremists from attacking Turkey.
    That, if it happens, will leave a NATO member and host to US nukes working with Moscow.
    A massive win for Putin.
  3. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    What extremists are you on about?
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  4. Buckaroo

    Buckaroo Donkey piss and tractors

    Erdogan, Putin, NATO and the US are all extremists don't you think?
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  5. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    He doesn't realise what trouble he's in:

    Does Trump Realize the Trouble He’s In?

    "“No, what really got to me was that Trump distributed copies of this letter to congressional leaders when they showed up at the White House for a briefing. Think of it. Even if the letter had been perfectly normal, what Trump was handing them was an Oct. 9 request to Erdogan to halt his invasion — a request that Erdogan has, as we’ve seen, totally ignored. Trump was bragging about what he considered to be a sign of his own brilliance without realizing that it was instead evidence of abject failure.”"

    I mean this is just laughable stuff, real clown college hours. Even when Reagan was in the throes of galloping senility things didn't get this daft.
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  6. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

  7. Buckaroo

    Buckaroo Donkey piss and tractors

    At least Reagan had Nancy pulling the strings and giving him his meds. Pence is no Nancy.
  8. chandlerp

    chandlerp Well-Known Member

  9. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    The influence of astrology on the Reagan White House used to sound insane but at this point, there'd probably be better decision-making coming out of the White House if Trump started relying on astrologers, crystal balls, fortune cookies, and Ouija boards.
  10. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Mozzarella :D
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  11. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    That's like a scene from The Naked Gun with The Mayor and Frank.
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  12. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

  13. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

  14. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Is she not still looking at him like that though, is that not real?
  15. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    The look is real - he still said an enormous number of strange and stupid things during that press conference, like he does every time he talks. Sounds like he got Matterella's name a bit wrong the first time he said it but 'Mozzarella' is a little too much of a stretch.

    "Syria may have some help with Russia, and that’s fine. It’s a lot of sand. They’ve got a lot of sand over there. So there’s a lot of sand that they can play with."

    "And the Kurds are much safer right now, but the Kurds know how to fight. And, as I said, they’re not angels. They’re not angels, if you take a look. You have to go back and take a look. But they fought with us."

    "And the meeting took place right here at about 6 o’clock last night, and it was very sad, to be honest. She lost, and they lost, their son. I believe it was going down the wrong way, because that happens in Europe. You go to Europe and the roads are opposite. And it’s very tough ... And I offered to bring the person in question in, and they weren’t ready for it. But I did offer .... I spoke with Boris. He asked me if I’d do that, and I did it. Unfortunately, they wanted to meet with her, and unfortunately when we had everybody together, they decided not to meet. Perhaps they had lawyers involved by that time."
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2019
  16. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Still looks like a scene from Naked Gun.
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  17. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

  18. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    Thing is, I could relate totally to accidentally calling him that. "Don't call him Mozzarella, DON'T call him Mozzarella... aww no fuck just called him Mozzarella"
  19. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

    Agreed with exceptions.
    Erdogan, no argument there and Putin is a power mad nut job. NATO is used by extremists within the US government but they appear to use the UN more. The US is not extremist but has a good few extremists in their government. However, most of their issue is cash politics rather than idealism - Not that mass murder for cash is any better.
    The above doesn't absolve anyone from any other group, including Kurdish nationalist that commit acts of terror.
    The argument about the PKK being terrorists, for me at least, comes down to their attacks. If they stick to military targets, they are not terrorists, but they are extremists as communism is an extreme ideology. The moment any group deliberately attacks civilians, they deserve anything coming to them.
    Propaganda says the PKK are terrorists, something I'll only agree with if their attacks deliberately target civilians. Must google as I don't don't know.
  20. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    I see nothing extreme in hankering after Communism Don Troooomp, and nothing Communist about the PKK.
  21. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    So Trumps negotiators have apparently managed to bring about a shaky 5-day ceasefire in a conflict that's his fault.

    Or, in the White House version, managed to bring about everlasting peace where many others have tried and failed.


  22. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

    Apart from their name, hammer and sickle, and a bunch of other stuff like claiming to be communists and announcing they want to create a communist state, I agree, the PKK aren't communists.
    As for communism not being extreme, they aren't the fucking LibDems, are they?

    However, as I'm unfamiliar with the nature of their attacks, I won't believe they're a terrorist group until I see they deliberately attack civilians. Military targets are an entirely different matter and not terrorist acts.
  23. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you know, but I'm gonna repeat it.

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    The lines are very blurry.
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  24. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

  25. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

    I know they attack military targets but I'm unfamiliar with their record against civilians so I can't say either way. Perhaps a thread on the subject if there isn't one already. However, I gather the Kurds and Turks have both saif the US is lying about the ceasefire.

    Edit - The post above has a link
  26. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    You say you know they attack.

    Do these military attacks occur on land the Kurds claim to be theirs?
    Did these military attacks take place while the Kurds were helping the Americans fight ISIS?

    I suppose everything is context.
  27. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Condescension and embedded self importance

    I'd be interested in discussing this for my own education, but perhaps a new thread would be better in order not to derail this one.
  28. chandlerp

    chandlerp Well-Known Member

    Errrr, anybody going to tell him that in almost ALL of Europe they drive on the same side as the USA. Wouldn't want any more idiotic bellends coming over and driving on the wrong side because Trump told them they all drive on the left.
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  29. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

  30. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby Share knowledge, don't weaponize it

    Trump likens conflict in Syria to playground fight

    "Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas.

    Is that how it goes, this whole conflict thing? I wonder, does he actually believe the words that spill out of his gob or is just his complete lack of empathy reducing it to a simple, relatable scale?

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