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What should the motorway speed limit be?

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Zaskar said:
Call me a spoil sport but I think the limit should be left at 70, higher speed means much higher petrol consumption and carbon emission, and furthermore all vehicles should be governed to a max of 70.

Isnt it completely mad to say it is illegal to go over, say, 70 and then sell cars and bikes that do 150 ? ? ?
There are all kinds of reasons why governing vehicles to the same speed is a bad idea, from a safety point of view, if nothing else.

Lorries are currently governed to (I think) 56mph, and it makes for all kinds of awkwardness when they reach hills, or need to overtake each other, with one lorry doing 56 taking 2 miles to overtake his counterpart doing 54...
 
pembrokestephen said:
I am going to start pulling over and photographing some of the more stupidly parked ones. Amusing as it might be, though, I suspect that they'd probably end up bleating about "harassment", and calling the police, who would, I have no doubt, be far more interested in me than (say) the talivan stuck on a corner obscuring the view around it.

You've clearly got issues here ;)

I've been nicked by them three times since moving to Wales, having never had a ticket or even been pulled over in 17 years of driving but I don't hate them this much. :D

I get a warm cosy feeling whenever someone flashed their lights to warn of their presence, which pretty much everyone does around here. :)

EastEnder said:
Eventually - that means in the future, not now, not today - the technology to determine the cause of an accident will be present in all cars. I don't know whether it'll be in 10 years time, 20, 30, whatever. It will happen.

You're being a bit silly, we'll probably all be zooming around in some fantastic hoverbuses in the future, or something, but we're talking about what the speed limit should be now, given current circumstances.
 
ICB said:
We're talking about what the speed limit should be now, given current circumstances.

Unrestricted but with the death penalty reintroduced for speeds construed as dangerous driving.

What's wrong with allowing motorists to exercise their judgement?
 
dirtysanta said:
Allowing competant drivers like myself to exceed 100mph during times such as late nights.

That is a fucking lie!! :p

I have been in a car with you LOL:D

Should just be like the autobahns I think but I voted variable you're probably along the right lines...
 
Cobbles said:
What's wrong with allowing motorists to exercise their judgement?
Because they prove time and again to have none. Also, see my previous posts about hardly any drivers actually being trained for high speed driving.
 
Cobbles said:
What's wrong with allowing motorists to exercise their judgement?
It's the shockingly awful judgement of some motorists, or the total lack thereof, which is responsible for a large proportion of accidents.

Of all the accidents that the police investigate, how many do you think they conclude were unavoidable and in no way the drivers fault? I don't know the answer, but I'll wager any amount that it's a rather small proportion.....
 
I'm no friend of the average motorist but I tend to think making the motorist exercise their own judgement means they are forced into taking responsiblity for their own actions.
 
Trouble is, that taking responsibility for your actions is something you do after your actions have been made.
 
Well we've gone down the road of over-regulation - and in my opinion - it just doesn;t work. It turns everyone into over grown children. They think, well if they can't catch me then I can do it.

People need to learn to use their judgement again.

Don;t get me wrong though - I'd be expecting new legislation to reflect this new situation - and police patrols to pull people over and prosecute the dangerous wankers. Harsh penalties.

It's carrot and stick innit - more freedom, but only if you use it wisely?
 
Cobbles said:
Unrestricted but with the death penalty reintroduced for speeds construed as dangerous driving.

What's wrong with allowing motorists to exercise their judgement?
I think there's a lot wrong with doing that.

The main difficulty with the way people drive is, I think, the fact that there is a huge variation in skills in evidence (as well as a huge variation in the accuracy of their perception of their own skills). My guess is that the more competent and experienced drivers will have a more accurate view of their own capabilities, and those of their vehicle and how all that relates to the prevailing conditions; the less competent drivers will, in many cases, have an inflated view of their own capabilities (2/3 of drivers regard the standard of their driving as "above average" - an unlikely statistical scenario, if true), and their judgement is likely to therefore be dangerously faulty, as is their perception of their vehicle's capabilities, the environment, and the other drivers around them.

The net result is probably - I'm talking qualitatively, not statistically, here - that on a given road in given circumstances, a competent and experienced driver might consider it safe to drive at (say) 80mph, based on his skill and ability, while the inexperienced and less competent driver also considers the safe speed to be 80mph, despite the fact that, if a hazard arose, he would be far less able to negotiate the situation safely.

The only solution I can see to that issue would be to narrow the skills range considerably: some of that could be achieved by more intensive (and ongoing) driver training, but it would be inevitable that a large part of that process could only be achieved by taking a substantial proportion of drivers off the road. Personally, I think that would be a great ideal to aim for, but it would be political suicide for any government that proposed it (think how many votes just 10% of drivers would represent), and there would have to be much better alternative provision of public transport across the board.

In my view, an ideal situation would be that speed limits were advisory, so that the competent driver could use them as part of his risk assessment as he negotiates potentially unfamiliar roads: prosecutions for traffic offences would not then be made for driving in excess of a potentially arbitrary speed limit but for driving in a manner that was deemed as unsafe. Quite apart from the enormous change in the current enforcement regime, which has already in the last 10 years moved hugely away from discretionary enforcement to a formulaic process whereby a speed limit (and little else, it would seem) is now enforced as an absolute, with no exceptions, no consideration of the circumstances, and no allowances made for the competence (or otherwise) of drivers, that this would require, it would also be very difficult to enforce with our current legal system, which relies on "hard" evidence and incontrovertible proof of an offence.

So I think we're stuck with our - often quite arbitrary - limits. What I do believe could be changed would be the means of enforcement. Cameras result in people being prosecuted whether they were galloping down a motorway at 90mph for 50 miles, or might have briefly, in the course of cresting a hill, hit 36mph in a 30 zone. This seems wrong to me, as it penalises many drivers who, outside of the hit/miss quasi-certainties of a camera, were driving perfectly safely and with due care for the situation they were in at the time.
 
May have been said before but it's kinda right....


The single best way to improve road safety would be a compulsory iron spike in the centre of the steering wheel :)
 
I think 85 is about right - with a reduction to 65 in the wet.

Or maybe variable limits like they have on section of the M25 - they serve to keep the traffic moving.

I used to be a night-time despatch rider and often came home on near deserted motorways. I will not admit on this forum the speeds I used to move at, but some journeys were over relatively quickly.

The thing about motorways is that the traffic is all going the same way and new vehicles only join at junctions. No pedestrians or cyclists to worry about.

I am also not in favour of a blanket 20mph limit in urban areas - that is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Common sense, and all that.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
May have been said before but it's kinda right....


The single best way to improve road safety would be a compulsory iron spike in the centre of the steering wheel :)

As well as annual tests of cognitive capacity, reaction timing and vision.....

Ban everyone who is thick, slow or incapable of seeing the road ahead properly - until successfully retested.

NB should also be applied to pedestrians/non-motorised road users.
 
Dhimmi said:
90mph but only after introducing a motorway driving test.
That would be impossible to enforce - you'd have to pull over a random selection of people travelling at 90 to see who didn't have an enhanced licence. You could use some form of signage on the car but it'd have to be able to be read from outside and easily moveable, otherwise how can an authorised driver drive a hire car at 90.
 
Cobbles said:
That would be impossible to enforce - you'd have to pull over a random selection of people travelling at 90 to see who didn't have an enhanced licence. You could use some form of signage on the car but it'd have to be able to be read from outside and easily moveable, otherwise how can an authorised driver drive a hire car at 90.
Not to mention the difficulties that would arise when, say, an enhanced driver was stuck behind a whole bunch of non-enhanced ones doing 70. Having a two-tier system would seem, to me, to be futile, and quite possibly dangerous: I think that the idea of restricting lorries to a lower speed has already demonstrated how awkward a two tier system would be.

That said, my first reading of the post regarding enhanced licences was that the poster was suggesting that it wouldn't be possible to use a motorway unless you had the enhanced licence. That makes more sense from a practical point of view, though would be political suicide.

I also wonder whether focusing on motorways is really much help: the vast majority of road deaths and injuries don't occur on motorways, which are the safest roads, on a per passenger kilometre basis, but on smaller roads. It's intersections, bends, hazards, and restrictions which cause most accidents. Those are a lot rarer on motorways than on the rest of the road system.
 
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