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What should Iran do?

What should Iran do?


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Guardian said:
Iran issues stark warning on oil

Iran steps up defiance of international pressure over its nuclear programme by warning of soaring oil prices if it is subjected to economic sanctions.

...Iran had a "cheap means" of achieving its nuclear "rights", Mr Ahmadinejad said, [on Saturday] adding: "You [the west] need us more than we need you. All of you today need the Iranian nation."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1687387,00.html

Add a strategy to maximise the financial return on post-peak oil to the list of motive candidates...
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Or, the simple explanation: they're zealots.

That'd be the simple-minded explanation.

And the one they must be calculating that the US administration will be adopting.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I'd be prepared to bet that the Isreali bomb was developed right around the time that their neighbors stopped trying to attack them.

Oy! Canuck!

How much? What odds?

(Terms of bet: we're taking "was developed" as the start of the programme.)
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
It's a figure of speech to draw attention to the main idea of the sentence.

And that's a circumlution for "OK, hands up, I was talking bollocks", I take it? :D

Shame, you could have enriched the server fund.

But if you're honourable you will now post "OK, hands up, I was talking bollocks"...
 
Oh, and why you would lose the bet, had you accepted:

Federation of American Scientists said:
On 3 October 1957, France and Israel signed a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor (although the cooling systems and waste facilities were designed to handle three times that power) and, in protocols that were not committed to paper, a chemical reprocessing plant. This complex was constructed in secret, and outside the IAEA inspection regime, by French and Israeli technicians at Dimona, in the Negev desert under the leadership of Col. Manes Pratt of the IDF Ordinance Corps.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
 
laptop said:
And that's a circumlution for "OK, hands up, I was talking bollocks", I take it? :D

Shame, you could have enriched the server fund.

But if you're honourable you will now post "OK, hands up, I was talking bollocks"...

You are babbling.
 
laptop said:
Oh, and why you would lose the bet, had you accepted:

From your article:

"In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of uclear weapons."


So in 1968, the americans were guessing about the state of Israel's weapons. The last major assault by their neighbors is the Yom Kippur War. It's quite possible that Egypt et al didn't know about the isreali bomb till after that.

Egypt, Syria, had launched a number of attacks against Israel up to and including that time. Why did they suddenly stop?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
From your article:

"In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of uclear weapons."

"CIA" and "issued" being the key elements of that sentence.

They started the programme in 1957 at the latest. And your previous argument was that announcement and public knowledge were not the keys, yes?
 
rogue yam said:
Israel by direct strike almost immediately. Much of Europe soon thereafter. The United States by terrorist infiltration. Very risky. Some will sit idly by and obfuscate. The United States will act. It is our culture.


What exactly is "our" culture and since when did you speak for the entire USA? Your paranoia is laughable. Oh and it is clear you don't know the definition of the word "obfuscate" - because that's what you do.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
But you'd think that they'd realize that their words would go beyond their borders, and that some, including the israelis, might not feel comfortable assuming it's all just internal propaganda.

Well, look who's popped by to help out rogue spam...it's me auld pal, the fake Canadian. :D
 
nino_savatte said:
What's the matter? Can't rogue spam fight his own battles?

RS couldn't fight his way out of brown paper bag. A a matter of interest has RS answered the question about his military experience yet - I notice he isn't answering mine still.

NIce to know that even amongst the Freeper pondlife he is an outcast. :D

White feathers all round.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
RS couldn't fight his way out of brown paper bag. A a matter of interest has RS answered the question about his military experience yet - I notice he isn't answering mine still.

NIce to know that even amongst the Freeper pondlife he is an outcast. :D

White feathers all round.

I find it so funny that FreakRepublic would treat him as an outcast. It says a lot about the cretin.
 
laptop said:
Miniaturisation is the hard bit.

We could put together a team here that could build something the size of Little Boy:

littleboyfirst001.jpg


...but something the size of the W80 (as fitted in Tomahawk cruise):

250px-W80_nuclear_warhead.jpg


...this would really stretch us.

Unless someone has 32 Cray supercomputers in their basement they're not telling us about...

Could match that quite easily given a few materials and the inclination without even logging on to CATIA(not really offering)


laptop said:
I feel a poll coming on: urban75 nuclear deterrent: yes or no? :D

But theres a couple of Mk84 freefall nuke handling rounds in the room below my office if you nutters need to practice - don't reckon U75 nuclear deterent would stop any board wars .
 
laptop said:
I feel a poll coming on: urban75 nuclear deterrent: yes or no? :D
Would that break the FAQ regarding posting stuff that could get the site shut down?
:D :D :D
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
The last major assault by their neighbors is the Yom Kippur War. Egypt, Syria, had launched a number of attacks against Israel up to and including that time. Why did they suddenly stop?

I think you will find that modern historians agree that Israel was the aggressor. This is where the concept of 'pre-emptive strike', as a propaganda description for unprovoked attack comes from. The Israelis try to claim they were attacked first but it's a lie.
 
I was hoping someone could help me understand this statement from Jack Straw:

'The onus is on Iran to act to give the international community confidence that its nuclear programme has exclusive peaceful purposes -- confidence, I'm afraid, that has been sorely undermined by its history of concealment and deception.'

source

What type of reassurances is he looking for and what could Iran do to prove themselves as "worthy" of having nuclear power?
 
spring-peeper said:
I was hoping someone could help me understand this statement from Jack Straw:



source

What type of reassurances is he looking for and what could Iran do to prove themselves as "worthy" of having nuclear power?

I think it's fair to say that Straw's comments are a combination of posturing (his position in the British cabinet is weak at the moment), PR-friendly "more in sorrow than in anger at Iran" guff and slavishly following the US line.

I'd say the "worthiness" he (and his ilk) wants is that Iran open it's markets and infrastructure to "Western Capitalism" and worship the markets rather than Allah.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I think it's fair to say that Straw's comments are a combination of posturing (his position in the British cabinet is weak at the moment), PR-friendly "more in sorrow than in anger at Iran" guff and slavishly following the US line.

I'd say the "worthiness" he (and his ilk) wants is that Iran open it's markets and infrastructure to "Western Capitalism" and worship the markets rather than Allah.

Would I be correct in assuming that it would be near impossible for Iran to offer sufficient "evidence" to ease the troubled minds of the west?
 
spring-peeper said:
Would I be correct in assuming that it would be near impossible for Iran to offer sufficient "evidence" to ease the troubled minds of the west?

IMHO you would be correct to make such an assumption.

This is a re-jigging of the same scenarios that led to the WMD farce. The US and their faithful lapdogs in the UK government are manouvering so that if necessary they have a pre-devised casus belli against Iran.
 
ViolentPanda said:
IMHO you would be correct to make such an assumption.

This is a re-jigging of the same scenarios that led to the WMD farce. The US and their faithful lapdogs in the UK government are manouvering so that if necessary they have a pre-devised casus belli against Iran.

:(

sadder still is reading some of the american forums - they seem resigned to being dragged into yet another war.
 
spring-peeper said:
:(

sadder still is reading some of the american forums - they seem resigned to being dragged into yet another war.

Some of us were aware that as soon as they started on Iraq, it would have a domino effect on the entire middle east. I was figuring that Syria would be next, though.
 
nino_savatte said:
You really have no clue - have you? I shall ask you again: what is your position on the Pahlavi family?

A very pertinent point. The Pahlavi's would love to be back. They and their minions and supporters have been active in the west for years. I remembre in the early 80's seeing lots of posters from Iranian exiles in London calling for people to rally behind the new 'shah'.

I cant see the modern Iranians wanting them back. Too many bad memories. I wouldn't be surprised if that as well as a genuine popular demand for islamic govt in some form from Iranians there was a background fear of the Pahlavi's coming back in some form and this may ahve had a bearing on the recent Iranian elections.
 
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