What should be done to stop the Bombs?

[Yawn Yawn Yawn]

Perhaps we should start summarily executing people. Especially if they have the tenacity to go to a train station looking a bit shifty.

 

[Serguei]

surely that's a joke

They already trying to tell us what is allowed and what is not allowed to be printed in non-Muslim countries about Islam (remember Salman Rushdie or Vincent van Gogh?). What is next?

 

[nightowl]

They already trying to tell us what is allowed and what is not allowed to be printed in non-Muslim countries about Islam (remember Salman Rushdie or Vincent van Gogh?). What is next?

of course, there aren't any lunatic christians killing doctors who carry out abortions, trying to censor television and books, etc, etc, etc in the west are there?

 

[kropotkin]

They already trying to tell us what is allowed and what is not allowed to be printed in non-Muslim countries about Islam (remember Salman Rushdie or Vincent van Gogh?). What is next?

That's the painter you imbecile.

 

[nightowl]

That's the painter you imbecile.

what did they kill him as well?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

what did they kill him as well?

Yeah they cut his ear off. It was on this video on Al Jazeera.

 

[nick1181]

Dunno... looks a bit... "foreign" to me...

 

[nick1181]

innit.

 

[tbaldwin]

of course, there aren't any lunatic christians killing doctors who carry out abortions, trying to censor television and books, etc, etc, etc in the west are there?

Surely we should oppose both Christian and Islamic fundamentalism.
And the truth is that Christian fundamentalism is not on the rise as much as Islamic fundamentalism. Countries like Italy,Ireland and Sapin have all seen a loosening of the grip the Catholic church had on them. And as for the Bible belt in the USA werent they a lot stronger in the 80s?

 

[nightowl]

And the truth is that Christian fundamentalism is not on the rise as much as Islamic fundamentalism. Countries like Italy,Ireland and Sapin have all seen a loosening of the grip the Catholic church had on them. And as for the Bible belt in the USA werent they a lot stronger in the 80s?

christian fundamentalism is responsible for more misery in the world than islamic fundamentalism. some western countries may have seen a loosening of the catholic grip but what about the millions destined to die in africa, latin america, etc because of the catholic church's lies about contraception. not too sure how much stronger the christian nutters in the united states can get than running the whole country as they are now. and what about the united states refusing to give aid to organisations in the developing world that mention abortion, a decision that will cause misery and death for thousands, if not millions more people in those countries.

 

[tbaldwin]

christian fundamentalism is responsible for more misery in the world than islamic fundamentalism. some western countries may have seen a loosening of the catholic grip but what about the millions destined to die in africa, latin america, etc because of the catholic church's lies about contraception. not too sure how much stronger the christian nutters in the united states can get than running the whole country as they are now. and what about the united states refusing to give aid to organisations in the developing world that mention abortion, a decision that will cause misery and death for thousands, if not millions more people in those countries.

Cheers night owl some good points. But id say that Catholicism is on the slide, its becoming less and less relevant in its traditional strongholds and as for the religiuous right in the USA i havent heard of them shooting anyone outside abortion clinics for a few good years. There really is a difference between idelogies on the slide and ideologies on the rise. And that is why personally i see Islamic fundamentalism as much more dangerous now.
This is not to question your points about the continuing misery that fundamentalist christianity has but just to point out that is happily on the slide.

 

[nightowl]

i guess the truth is that most people in the west see islamic fundamentalism as the greater threat because they are the ones being targetted by it, not some kid dying in africa or family being bombed in iraq. 30,000 kids a day dying in the developing world and we say isn't it terrible, maybe hold a few concerts and donate a few pounds. a handful of people die in the west and we go apeshit. it all depends who is the target

 

[tbaldwin]

i guess the truth is that most people in the west see islamic fundamentalism as the greater threat because they are the ones being targetted by it, not some kid dying in africa or family being bombed in iraq. 30,000 kids a day dying in the developing world and we say isn't it terrible, maybe hold a few concerts and donate a few pounds. a handful of people die in the west and we go apeshit. it all depends who is the target

And to be honest thats only to be expected. The enormity of 30,000 kids dying is too much to take in.
The media and news management are partly to blame. But again i blame the Liberal Left a lot for it. The whole issue of Iraq has become so dominant.
The Left have not concentrated that much effort on starvation, prefering too focus on whatevers making the news at that moment in time.
This in reality often means following the agenda of the right, rich and powerful.

 

[Static]

One method suggested has been the end of all cash transactions. (savage I know)! Credit/debit accounts only, then all cash transactions could easily be traced back to terrorists, or even common crooks selling on stolen goods. But I like my black market trading!!!!
I know this isn't the ideal but it might help to slow or even halt the reign of terror that is beginning to encircle our country!

 

[Fuchs66]

a sensible answer: to stop the bombings stop electing shit fucking leaders.

OK, please show me a less shit leader. I haven't found any yet.

 

[revolt]

They way I see it this is what WE need to do.

step one: Oppose opressive forgein policy in the middle east. Oppose war in the middle east. Fight for a solution to the Irael/Palestine conflict.

Step two: No platform for islamic/xtian fundamentalists. Much like the way groups like Antifa oppose facist groups they also need to target fundamentalists. Which they did do when the called a counter demo to both the Nf and Al-Mujihiroun http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/08/11/6447935

 

[Andy the Don]

All the left seem to be concerned about is the welfare of Iraqis or the possible back lash British Muslims might face.

Unfortunately elements of the left obviously do not given tuppence for the ordinary Iraqis. Otherwise they would not be saying victory to the insurgents as another insurgent truck bomb goes off killing ordinary Iraqis.

 

[tbaldwin]

They way I see it this is what WE need to do.

step one: Oppose opressive forgein policy in the middle east. Oppose war in the middle east. Fight for a solution to the Irael/Palestine conflict.

Step two: No platform for islamic/xtian fundamentalists. Much like the way groups like Antifa oppose facist groups they also need to target fundamentalists. Which they did do when the called a counter demo to both the Nf and Al-Mujihiroun http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/08/11/6447935

Step one is difficult and kind of dreamy.
But step 2 I like.

 

[tbaldwin]

Unfortunately elements of the left obviously do not given tuppence for the ordinary Iraqis. Otherwise they would not be saying victory to the insurgents as another insurgent truck bomb goes off killing ordinary Iraqis.

Sadly only too true. Crocodile tears for Dead Iraqis.

 

[mk12]

Unfortunately elements of the left obviously do not given tuppence for the ordinary Iraqis. Otherwise they would not be saying victory to the insurgents as another insurgent truck bomb goes off killing ordinary Iraqis.

Although 45% of Iraqis polled support the resistance?

 

[scott_forester]

Although 45% of Iraqis polled support the resistance?

I’ve always wondered about polls in Iraq, who one Earth does them? I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t stand around in downtown Baghdad with a clipboard.

 

[mk12]

Well this one was an "internal poll conducted for the US-led coalition" apparently.

 

[nino_savatte]

Sounds just as scientific as the British sponsored referendum of 1921.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

what about the millions destined to die in africa, latin america, etc because of the catholic church's lies about contraception.

What about them?
I didn't know about them.
Enlighten me.

*Edit* the rest of your post was fine btw.

 

[james_walsh]

Typical off our side (the left or whatever you call it), instead off addressing the issue, waffel on about some other but irrelevent worse injustice.

You may as well tell people ' theres always someone worse off than yourselves' not much of a political program to win people over is it!

 

[Pigeon]

I get the sense that some of the posters on here fancy that if one of these bombers sat down next to them on the tube, rucksack in hand, a heartfelt conversation about truly understanding the plight of their people and being deeply sorry for Tony Blair would be all it would take to make the bomber give up his aims or at least move on to another car.

There again, I get the sense that you'd just sit and watch someone -anyone!- getting shot, exclaiming "serves the bastard right!" between mouthfuls of Pringles if you'd been told they were a suicide bomber.

 

[nightowl]

What about them?
I didn't know about them.
Enlighten me.

u joking or serious?

 

[nick1181]

Step two: No platform for islamic/xtian fundamentalists.

Yup. You can't actually ban religion, that causes the most dreadful trouble - but I think it would be a good idea if it was just generally discouraged.

I think the world would be a much much better place if there was a worldwide treaty that made it illegal for any religious person to hold any high office - and that includes judiciary. No Bush, no Blair, no sharia law. Getting rid of the pope and his insane ideas about contraception would save millions of lives as well.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

u joking or serious?

I'm deadly serious!!!
Are you having a laugh???


To make my position clear.
Can any person tell me or show how exactly the catholic church has managed to dupe loads of Africans and South Americans into contracting aids?

It seems to me that the message from the Vatican is don't go around shagging random peeps willy nilly and stay off the drugs an' all 'cos they fuck you up.


How in the name of that big fella some call God that amounts to encouraging folk to get themselves infected with aids is beyond me.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Nice one yet more jokes!!

So nobody has any answers to any of the following questions that people might be concerned about? Does security need beefing up on the tube like at the airport? Do we need more police or security service agents? Should we deport radical clerics or jail them?

Jail them - if you have to.

Dont get me wrong I'm not saying those concerns are not warrented, but when they are perscieved to be given a higher priority than the British public then how can you expect them to support you're views?

Perceived by who? I must have missed the outpouring of grief for the dead Iraqis, and the 1,2 and 3 minute silences. Maybe, just maybe, people need to think about all life as being equal instead of bowing down to pointless nationalistic guff?