What should be done to stop the Bombs?

[Kid_Eternity]

You serious?

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry. Too aggressive.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Ahh bollox, why did ya have to go and be nice, damn you.

 

[Passepartout]

Sometimes violent people require violent measures.

We don't assume rapists will stop raping people if they are given what they want. We shouldn't assume that for suicide killers, either.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Sometimes violent people require violent measures.

We don't assume rapists will stop raping people if they are given what they want. We shouldn't assume that for suicide killers, either.

Ahh yes the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth arguement...leading everyone to being blind and without teeth!

 

[Passepartout]

Ahh yes the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth arguement...leading everyone to being blind and without teeth!

Not if you knock their eyes and teeth out before they get yours.

 

[Dhimmi]

Bomb defusal unit. The question we should really be asking is what causes people to want to do this and how do we stop them going down that route.

As much as I'm an admirer of truly social policies, how exactly does that work under the current circumstances?

 

[Passepartout]

I get the sense that some of the posters on here fancy that if one of these bombers sat down next to them on the tube, rucksack in hand, a heartfelt conversation about truly understanding the plight of their people and being deeply sorry for Tony Blair would be all it would take to make the bomber give up his aims or at least move on to another car.

 

[RhymnRzn]

Difficult question, Not sure if there is an answer but surely we should look to do what we can to stop the bombers.

for starters, government enacts proliferation of the leaves of the tree of life for the healing of the nations

and trade our storage of music instruments for weapons: rid weapons.

be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[X-77]

what Blair has to do is lock us all up in one mass Belmarsh-type place and let us out one by one when it's established that we don't have anything against 'British values' or anything to hide. It's the only solution!!

I mean, who knows what these bombers could actually have against this oh-so-noble and civilised country? Damn those who want to change 'our way of life'!!!

 

[nino_savatte]

A thread started by tbaldwin...now why am I so suspicious?

1. Troops home now!
2. Blair out now!!

 

[cyberfairy]

a "say no to ideologies of evil" concert in Leeds, with Ms Dynamite and Coldplay

 

[nino_savatte]

Why isn't Geldof concerned about any of this?

 

[Poggle]

We need to be more persuasive with our demonstrations.
Grab more media attention.
The Poll Tax protesters managed it in 1990.

 

[CyberRose]

Nice one yet more jokes!!

So nobody has any answers to any of the following questions that people might be concerned about? Does security need beefing up on the tube like at the airport? Do we need more police or security service agents? Should we deport radical clerics or jail them?

People are scared and they probably have a right to be. The questions above are some questions they might be asking and they wanna hear answers from somebody to reassure them. The BNP are giving them answers and they might be (are) wrong but they are answering the questions people wanna hear. All the left seem to be concerned about is the welfare of Iraqis or the possible back lash British Muslims might face. Dont get me wrong I'm not saying those concerns are not warrented, but when they are perscieved to be given a higher priority than the British public then how can you expect them to support you're views?

 

[detective-boy]

Bomb defusal unit.

Bomb defusal unit? "I say old chap. Would you mind awfully if I asked you to put that trigger down and stand still whilst I defuse your rucksack / bomb belt ..."

The question we should really be asking is what causes people to want to do this and how do we stop them going down that route.

Spot on if you ask me.

 

[Poggle]

Why don't we just label them "evil" then it saves us the trouble of thinking about the problem or trying to find a solution.

 

[nick1181]

Well I think the answers are simple and straight forward. This isn't rocket science, and we will all need to make sacrafices. Namely:

- All telephones should be tapped
- All Email and web traffic should be recorded and monitored
- More CCTV Cameras should be installed
- ID Cards should be made compulsory - surrenderable on demand, with on the spot fines for non-compliance and prison for repeat offenders
- Random Stop-and-Search implemented
- Neighbors and family members should be encouraged to monitor, and where appropriate, report on each other's behavior
- More prisons built
- Harsher sentencing for everything - particularly victimless crimes that have a "moral" component
- Discipline to be emphasised in schools
- News and reporting to be filtered so as to comform to a set of loosely defined "need to know" criteria
- Habeas corpus and trial by jury suspended.
- Indefinate incarceration without trial - where deemed appropriate by the relevent minister
- Evidence extracted under torture made admissable in court
- Protesting only allowable in specially designated "free speech" zones
- Our armed forces should attack someone else's country somewhere.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Oh, great, Nick. And all women should wear burquas.

 

[CyberRose]

Oh, great, Nick. And all women should wear burquas.

I think he was taking the piss...just a bit!

 

[CyberRose]

One thing that stands out for me is the failure of intelligence to have stopped the bombings so I would think something needs to be done in that area (obviously that is a short term meassure) In the long term there needs to be resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict as a matter of the highest priority (plus huge support to make a successful democratic Palestinian state)

 

[nick1181]

I think he was taking the piss...just a bit!

Just a bit. Trouble is, quite a lot of that stuff is already being done.

I don't think the free speech zones (ie: open-air, concreted-floored, fenced-off, barb-wired-enclosed areas for people to protest in) in the US met with very much public enthusiasm so seem to have drifted from the radar somewhat.

 

[LLETSA]

The important thing is that our way of life continues unaltered:

That Big Brother stays on the air; that grown men continue to attend Dr Who and Star Trek conventions; that overweight, middle-class computer technicians continue to parade around in England shirts every two years (and stick a little plastic flag on their car aerials); that everybody reserves the right to become obese before the age of twenty-five; that students are able to carry on swamping and ruining neighbourhoods; that anybody has the right to stand outside a pub mob-handed swigging bottled lager and fucking over the most convenient passer-by at the end of the night; that real ale drinkers continue to address each other in weird archaic English; that teenagers are able to scowl at passers-by from bus shelters and feign a skunk-induced ennui; that smackheads are able to con/harrass gullible pensioners into giving them money on rare excursions into the city-centre; that pissed-up students are able to behave like scallies on the way to Ibiza without inviting the same kind of disapproval just because of their accents; that students, hairdressers and bank-tellers continue to speak with a ridiculous kind of Australian pronounciation where their voice goes up at the end of a sentence; that peurile soaps stuffed with bad actors, DIY and Reality TV shows continue to increasingly dominate the telly at the expense of a decent film or play; that the latter are increasingly shunted onto the pay-per-view channels; that people continue to talk shit into their mobile phones in absoultely every public place, to friends that they have absolutely nothing to say to when they meet face-to-face; that they are able to take photos of pointless things on their mobiles; that football is able to increasingly take the piss out of the average fan in the sure knowledge that we will put up with anything.

The list of the benefits of our civilization is endless.

Against all this the bombers have no chance.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Turn it into some sort of vile distopian sporting event. Put an equal number of neo-cons and jihadis in an large arena with big rocks and clubs with nails in.

Then just leave 'em to it.

Hey, that's my idea. I posted it about the Israelis and Palestinians over a year ago....

 

[ViolentPanda]

One thing that stands out for me is the failure of intelligence to have stopped the bombings so I would think something needs to be done in that area (obviously that is a short term meassure) In the long term there needs to be resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict as a matter of the highest priority (plus huge support to make a successful democratic Palestinian state)

The likelihood of the security services having a good handle on the situation is slim, unfortunately.
MI5 have supposedly been trying to recruit Arabic and Urdu/Hindi speakers since 11th sept, but you can't make up in a couple of years for a lack that's been present for decades.

As for Palestine, I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Sorry Nick. I was half asleep when I read the post.

 

[nightowl]

how to stop the bombs? stop dropping them ourselves in the first place maybe

 

[Serguei]

how to stop the bombs? stop dropping them ourselves in the first place maybe

You think after testing the victory the terrorists would not come with new demands? If you allow Muslim extremists win now, in 20 years times they will bomb us for refusing to prohibit selling beer and pork in England.

 

[nightowl]

If you allow Muslim extremists win now, in 20 years times they will bomb us for refusing to prohibit selling beer and pork in England.

surely that's a joke

 

[ViolentPanda]

surely that's a joke

From Serguei, unfortunately not.