What price would petrol need to be to stop you driving?

[newharper]

I can't get it anywhere else without a car. It's 2 buses to the supermarket I use and my nearest greengrocers is a lot more expensive. Anyway this isn't an argument about supermarkets, it's about cars.

Or not using cars.

I cycle to my local stores (about 6 miles away) 3 times aweek to get perishables: and it is a pleasure.

 

[Looby]

Or not using cars.

I cycle to my local stores (about 6 miles away) 3 times aweek to get perishables: and it is a pleasure.

I'm very pleased for you.

 

[Part 2]

I've already cut out a fair bit of driving. I don't know about London but from my recent experience of driving on the motorways I think plenty of others have too.

Noticably less traffic and it's generally moving slower IMO. The Evening News ran a story about there being less traffic on the M60 too.

 

[stowpirate]

Hey Cheers, I'm no fan of Clarkson, but depite thinking its a waste of taxpayers money, airing a show aimed at reinforcing car culture, I have to admit that on pure entertainment grounds it's not a terrible programme.

It is not the BBC job to tell us how to live our lives or save the planet - I think one of the senior BBC managers actually said that a few months ago . Clarkson however is nothing more than middle aged yob - he talks like one and drives like one. Yes pure entertainment and sometimes you just cannot help yourself and agree with the twat.

Also having worked in product development myself, even though it was in the bicycle industry, I can appreciate the mechanical aspects of automobiles. I just don't like having them hurtling around city streets. Race tracks are fine.

When you say hurtling do you mean the driving style? If so I agree and think we need more traffic calming and a reduction of the speed limit to 20mph in situations where pedestrians and cars are in conflict. Technology should be used to control car speed and acceleration in restricted zones.

And wasn't there also a show where a runner traversed London more quickly than a driver?

There was also a speedboat doing up to 70mph on the Thames! It was an interesting show however what a stupid message/idea to send out to the stereotype who watches the show.

 

[The Groke]

I would stop driving if it became more than I could comfortably afford.

The actual cost isn't really relevant.

 

[djbombscare]

As for the Supermarket shop, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the delivery services they all offer. They vary from chain to chain on cost; however, as you don't even need to go to the shop you save both time and fuel.

I Know why I didnt mentioned it. Cos to me you dont save any fuel as they deliver it in a van.

Yes YOU save on the fuel and the company pays. . .(I think they charge you a tenner) But the fuel still gets used.

As for time I think the one time we used it it took us just as long to unpack each indivudual item form being packed in an individual carrier bag, to find out that half the stuff was missing or subistituted Rung them to get it sorted. and the time online doing the actual shop. I think your on a a non starter there as well

So I hate to be a bit pedantic but its saves time and fuel really is a bit codswallop to me You could also add in the electrictiy cost of being online doing the shopping is it really going to be any better environmentally ?

 

[pogofish]

As for the Supermarket shop, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the delivery services they all offer. They vary from chain to chain on cost; however, as you don't even need to go to the shop you save both time and fuel.

Have you actually used them?

Whenever I've tried, it usually takes several journeys to & fro till they get the order right, replace the crap fresh produce sent out with something adequate & then there is the extra environmental costs of the taxis needed when they deliver it to the wrong adress!

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

We use Tescos delivery service all the time, and I can't remember a time when we had a problem, it's great

 

[djbombscare]

We use Tescos delivery service all the time, and I can't remember a time when we had a problem, it's great

your lucky mate

See if you can get your lot to train the Bristol lot cos we used em twice to see what they were like and they were dire. Pretty much the same experience as Pogofish.

We decided fuck it we'd stick to the Fortnum and Mason's hampers

 

[ethel]

ocado for the win. they claim to be as environmentally friendly as walking to the shops.

 

[djbombscare]

Now Im intrigued as to how

Is it by carbon offsetting ?

 

[ethel]

i'm really not sure: http://www.ocado.com/content/html/information3/olgasAugust.html

edit: here we go: http://corporate.ocado.com/cares.html

 

[djbombscare]

Yeah I found it at the same time.

They use Biodiesel in their vans. Which spookily enough I also use in my car.

They dont however do delivery in my area, or where I work, or my mum and dads house. So we wouldn't be able to use them.

 

[T & P]

Now Im intrigued as to how

Is it by carbon offsetting ?

That and maybe fewer plastic bags used?

 

[stavros]

I don't know, but my they also tone down the excessive packaging too, given that they don't have to use it to draw you to the product in store?

 

[Looby]

ocado for the win. they claim to be as environmentally friendly as walking to the shops.

If you can afford it, I know I can't.

 

[Rainingstairs]

American's stopped driving theirs cars (started car-pooling, bought a moped/bike, started using the bus, walked) with gas-prices around 4 bucks, which has lead to a decrease in gas-prices. It seemed the Brits wouldn't do the same! (lookin at this poll only) I'm thinking it has to with the fact that American have MASSIVE cars and fill ups started costing them $200+.

I sold my shit piece gas-guzzler and now have this little compact zinger. Was psyched when I only paid $55 to fill up, now it's at $36 . sigh missin the days when it was under $10.

When I get rich and famous one day, I won't have to worry about any of this...

 

[ethel]

If you can afford it, I know I can't.

i only buy:
a) stuff on offer
b) branded stuff which is price matched to tescos


also i wait until they send me 10% off vouchers and the like.
the delivery is often cheaper than tescos too. and i'm less likely to buy junk food.

 

[Giles]

I live in London, and my "commute" involves walking next door, to my office. When I worked in central London I commuted by tube or train.

However, when I travel out of London, I often have to lug stuff about - stuff that I couldn't physically carry onto tubes, then a train, then walk a mile with at the other end, so I couldn't give up driving.

And there is the time issue - public transport works pretty well within a big city if you are travelling the popular mainly radial routes, not so well if you have three or four places to visit that are each a few miles apart. I once worked out that by driving around suburban London I could visit four places I needed to go to in an hour and a half, but by waiting for tubes, buses or trains it would have taken pretty much all day.

Also, as petrol goes up in price, fewer people will be driving, which actually makes driving more efficient (less congestion so faster journey times) for those who continue to drive.

Giles..

 

[Cobbles]

Petrol would have to be awful pricey to stop one motoring - what price Brioche these days eh?

Signed Gordo el Jaggo

 

[Cobbles]

American's stopped driving theirs cars (started car-pooling, bought a moped/bike, started using the bus, walked) with gas-prices around 4 bucks,

Shucks which 3 dun that?

 

[ymu]

Even if it was £3/litre, it'd still work out cheaper than a peak-time rail fare to London.

*mutters furiously

 

[ymu]

We use Tescos delivery service all the time, and I can't remember a time when we had a problem, it's great

I tried them once, when I was completely immobilised with a back injury and had no food in the house. They rang 2 hours after the due time to say that they had no driver and would I mind coming to pick up the bags myself. I never bothered again.

 

[djbombscare]

Also, as petrol goes up in price, fewer people will be driving, which actually makes driving more efficient (less congestion so faster journey times) for those who continue to drive.

Giles..

thats what I'm looking forwrad to as well. If everyone who can use public tranpsort did. Then those of us who HAVE to drive would be much better off

 

[wjh]

thats what I'm looking forwrad to as well. If everyone who can use public tranpsort did. Then those of us who HAVE to drive would be much better off

From The Onion:
Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others

 

[djbombscare]

Having used a couple of transit systems in the US I love this statement

The campaign is intended to de-emphasize the inconvenience and social stigma associated with using public transportation, focusing instead on the positives. Among these positives: the health benefits of getting fresh air while waiting at the bus stop, the chance to meet interesting people from a diverse array of low-paying service-sector jobs, and the opportunity to learn new languages by reading subway ads written in Spanish.

If I'd have known learning spanish was that easy I'd have started going by tube years ago