northernhord
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RubberBuccaneer said:What - no Penetration
They were great, lifes a gamble and dont dictate stick out in my addled mind
what old punk floats your boat?
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They were great, lifes a gamble and dont dictate stick out in my addled mind
Griff
Feeding the foxes
northernhoard said:
The E.P with their version of 'The Last Time' is still one of most treasured bits of vinyl. Had it nearly 30 years, the covers ripped to shreds, but God is it ever a fucking tune.
7 minutes 44 seconds of pure musical heaven.
One record I just turn up to 11 to.
Sir Belchalot
arenicola marina
Griff said:
No, first met them when they were squatting in Brougham Road E8. Squatted with Mark on Islington/Hackney border then lived in a co-op house with Mark & Josef in Canonbury for a couple of years. Used to help out at Wapping, Centro & the Peace Centre amongst others.
I like the saints...
hmm have we done wire yet....pink flag is classic
the wipers (from canada) were good
Radio birdman (do they count as punk ice?)
Just to edit having checked the thread sir belchalot has already done these three....
I think the first metallica LP kill em all is punk...its brilliant and the only metallica I can listen to. after that they were shit.
hmm have we done wire yet....pink flag is classic
the wipers (from canada) were good
Radio birdman (do they count as punk ice?)
Just to edit having checked the thread sir belchalot has already done these three....
I think the first metallica LP kill em all is punk...its brilliant and the only metallica I can listen to. after that they were shit.
northernhord
Active Member
sojourner said:Finally! that must be the first time on here I've seen anyone get the fuckin name and gender right for that song!!
Oh jolly well done northern
Yeah, he didnt become Jayne til later on if I recall
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Punk died on January 1st 1953
northernhord
Active Member
and finally - UK SUBS - Emotional blackmail, The Mob - waiting for the Witchunt, Inner City Unit - Raj Neesh
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
When I saw the thread title I was thinking "Old Punk" meant pre-1976. So, MC5, Stooges, New York Dolls were in there. Along with the recorded-long-before-it-was-released eponymous classic from Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers. But I was also thinking the Standells, 13th Floor Elevators, the Knickerbockers, the Leaves and all that Nuggets stuff. And definitely early Kingsmen and all that garage punk.
But 1990? That's really, really late punk, in my view. Is there any band that deserves to be called punk that formed after 1990? I'd have said late punk was the Exploited!
But, dates aside, there's a lot of stuff I like already mentioned.
The Big Three obviously need credit. The Damned deserve respect for releasing the first Punk (with a capital P) single: New Rose. (Introduced with the line nicked from from the Shangri-las that the New York Dolls and Joe Jackson also lifted - so do the Shangers get in for attitude and influence? I think so). The Damned were capable of brilliance, and also pantomime-like parody. But for Neat, Neat, Neat and their under rated album Machine Gun Etiquette, they deserve a top table.
The Pistols may have kicked off the media scrum, and spawned a thousand bands with their gigs (if all those who say they attended the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall in June 1976 were really there, apparently a parallel universe would be needed to accommodate them), but in truth they died when Sid joined. All their best songs were written pre Sid, almost all of their only real album (Never Mind the Bollocks) was recorded with Glen on bass (only Bodies features Sid on bass). Glen wrote all the good riffs. Sid had star quality, for sure, but their musical innovation was already a thing of the past by the time he'd learned bass. And by that time the scene had moved on.
The Clash produced some really fine work. London Calling is still one of my favourite albums. But they also produced the sprawling mess that is Sandinista. With self discipline, there might have been a good single album in there, but by that time there was too much ego and too little listening to anyone who would have had the sense to get them to edit. They died when Mick Jones was fired.
But what else - Wire (unless they're New Wave); Magazine (ditto); X (Blue Spark still goes on my compilations); the Ramones (my favourite album is Rocket To Russia); Pere Ubu (for that Beefheart-esque spikiness); Richard Hell was at one time a great favourite of mine, and there are still songs of his I love (I'm Your Man, for example), but I have been less accepting of his vocal limitations recently; DKs (obviously); Husker Du for making the Eighties bearable; Buzzcocks (natch, for songwriting subtlety); Johnny Thunders (for LAMF); Bad Brains; Black Flag; Adverts; the Slits and so, so much more.
But because it hasn't been mentioned, I'm sticking my neck out and calling this album punk: Jane From Occupied Europe by Swell Maps. Every home should own one.
But 1990? That's really, really late punk, in my view. Is there any band that deserves to be called punk that formed after 1990? I'd have said late punk was the Exploited!
But, dates aside, there's a lot of stuff I like already mentioned.
The Big Three obviously need credit. The Damned deserve respect for releasing the first Punk (with a capital P) single: New Rose. (Introduced with the line nicked from from the Shangri-las that the New York Dolls and Joe Jackson also lifted - so do the Shangers get in for attitude and influence? I think so). The Damned were capable of brilliance, and also pantomime-like parody. But for Neat, Neat, Neat and their under rated album Machine Gun Etiquette, they deserve a top table.
The Pistols may have kicked off the media scrum, and spawned a thousand bands with their gigs (if all those who say they attended the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall in June 1976 were really there, apparently a parallel universe would be needed to accommodate them), but in truth they died when Sid joined. All their best songs were written pre Sid, almost all of their only real album (Never Mind the Bollocks) was recorded with Glen on bass (only Bodies features Sid on bass). Glen wrote all the good riffs. Sid had star quality, for sure, but their musical innovation was already a thing of the past by the time he'd learned bass. And by that time the scene had moved on.
The Clash produced some really fine work. London Calling is still one of my favourite albums. But they also produced the sprawling mess that is Sandinista. With self discipline, there might have been a good single album in there, but by that time there was too much ego and too little listening to anyone who would have had the sense to get them to edit. They died when Mick Jones was fired.
But what else - Wire (unless they're New Wave); Magazine (ditto); X (Blue Spark still goes on my compilations); the Ramones (my favourite album is Rocket To Russia); Pere Ubu (for that Beefheart-esque spikiness); Richard Hell was at one time a great favourite of mine, and there are still songs of his I love (I'm Your Man, for example), but I have been less accepting of his vocal limitations recently; DKs (obviously); Husker Du for making the Eighties bearable; Buzzcocks (natch, for songwriting subtlety); Johnny Thunders (for LAMF); Bad Brains; Black Flag; Adverts; the Slits and so, so much more.
But because it hasn't been mentioned, I'm sticking my neck out and calling this album punk: Jane From Occupied Europe by Swell Maps. Every home should own one.
northernhord
Active Member
danny la rouge said:
Fuck, the Swell Maps, I saw them playin with the Smirks many moons ago at Manc Poly
Sir Belchalot
arenicola marina
danny la rouge said:
Too slow, I've already mentioned them, great band though.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Damn damn damn. Missed that.Sir Belchalot said:
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
How can you have half a paragraph if he quoted the whole thing? A paragraph is as long as it is, surely? 
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Agree with you Danny about the dammed - they did some great stuff.
Also another mention for the Ruts - they always seem to be overlooked for some reason. Maybe becasue they came out a bit later than the Pistols et al - but they released some fucking cracking singles which even managed to get quite high in the charts. Babylons Burning alone should earn them a place in history. They did some of the best punk/reggae symbiosis and were tight and mean musicians - especially the bass playing (plays for Alabama 3 now dosen't he?) - who knows what they could have achived if Malcolm Owen hadn't carked it.
Minor punk claim to fame.
1. I lived in a house in leeds where Johnny Thunders used to stay. Maybe there should be a day-glo pink plaque or something.
2. Our drummer toured the UK with him in the 80s.
Also another mention for the Ruts - they always seem to be overlooked for some reason. Maybe becasue they came out a bit later than the Pistols et al - but they released some fucking cracking singles which even managed to get quite high in the charts. Babylons Burning alone should earn them a place in history. They did some of the best punk/reggae symbiosis and were tight and mean musicians - especially the bass playing (plays for Alabama 3 now dosen't he?) - who knows what they could have achived if Malcolm Owen hadn't carked it.
Minor punk claim to fame.
1. I lived in a house in leeds where Johnny Thunders used to stay. Maybe there should be a day-glo pink plaque or something.
2. Our drummer toured the UK with him in the 80s.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Absolutely.Kaka Tim said:
Respect for the tenuous Johnny Thunders connections, btw!
I never got to see the Mob, which really pisses me off. Was a massive Blyth Power fan, for my sins, and did see Zoundz a couple of times. But other than Crass - who (i'm sorry) "changed my life" and all that caper, The Mob were my favourite band from that scene, whatever we're calling it. There was something so desperate and anguished about it. Totally bleak.. "i wish i could laugh, it must be fun to laugh"" 
One of my favouritest gigs ever was in the mid-90s - Vi Subversa's 60th birthday with a one-off Poison Girls gig and all sorts of support bands from those days. All these ciderpunks who'd been living in a ditch since 1983 leaping on stage to give Vi a kiss and a hug
One of my favouritest gigs ever was in the mid-90s - Vi Subversa's 60th birthday with a one-off Poison Girls gig and all sorts of support bands from those days. All these ciderpunks who'd been living in a ditch since 1983 leaping on stage to give Vi a kiss and a hug
ice-is-forming
Good kids caught down in the never never
whips and furs for FelixtheCat
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I've never knowingly heard a Crass song 
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Orang Utan said:I've never knowingly heard a Crass song
You, sir, are the loser in that case.
(in my opinion, of course)
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Were they anything like Conflict? Did they have any tunes?
thebignoisy
Occasionally frenzied
Dubversion said:One of my favouritest gigs ever was in the mid-90s - Vi Subversa's 60th birthday with a one-off Poison Girls gig and all sorts of support bands from those days. All these ciderpunks who'd been living in a ditch since 1983 leaping on stage to give Vi a kiss and a hug
oo I went to that - it was hilarious fun!!
Orang Utan said:
They predated Conflict by a few years - Crass were mostly quite old (60s art student types) and were seen as the grandparents of the whole scene. Conflict came later and were much more aggressive IMO, and lacking tunes. A lot of Crass stuff was a racket - nobody listens to Yes Sir I Will for fun - but for example the Penis Envy album is amazing: intense, strangely musical, experimental and passionate. Thing with Crass is that they're regarded at least as much for what they did as for what they recorded.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
No. Their lyrics were the thing.Orang Utan said:
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Ah, won't bother with them then
danny la rouge said:
dunno if that's fair - Penis Envy has some decent tunes, and stuff like Big A Little A, Nagasaki Nightmare, Do They Owe Us A Living and that are all pretty catchy
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