What, no "the six 'bombers' are being fitted up" thread?

[laptop]

Six men planned to carry out a series of "murderous suicide bombings" on London's public transport system on July 21 2005, using rucksack-carried bombs designed to cause maximum injuries, a court was told today.

Opening the prosecution case at the start of a trial scheduled to last up to four months, Nigel Sweeney QC said the men were engaged in an "extremist Muslim plot" ...

Guardian

Contd in Urban-isn't-what it-used-to-be threads, passim

 

[TAE]

One has to see the evidence before one can dismiss it.

 

[Crispy]

Due process and all that. I hope.

 

[stevepinker]

I blame the media for forcing these lovely young boys to feel unwelcome or maybe it was the racists chavs

Hey lets talk about how white fascists or the bnp

 

[Fez909]

Hey lets talk about how white fascists or the bnp

How they what...?

 

[Crispy]

He could be a geordie?

 

[laptop]

One has to see the evidence before one can dismiss it.

Have you no imagination, sheeple?

 

[derf]

Contd in Urban-isn't-what it-used-to-be threads, passim

As the member of the firing squad said "I aim to please".
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=192378

 

[laptop]

Here we go:

The court was told that five of the six had been under surveillance by police during a camping trip they made to the Lake District almost 15 months before their alleged bombing attempt. Their photographs were taken by police as they lined up with others on the trip, on a bank holiday weekend in early May 2004, apparently to take part in prayer

Guardian (bottom of story)

Notes from the BorrowdaleLand

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Here we go:



Notes from the BorrowdaleLand

Clearly guilty, what sort of pervert would go to the lake district when there's the brecon beacons and dartmoor!?

 

[JHE]

Due process and all that. I hope.

We should be very cautious in what we say, until the trial is over.

One might have an opinion on the plausibility of the defence case, but it should be heard by the jury.

I believe it is thought wrong, and it may even be illegal, for us to comment in the meantime.

Once the trial is finished, we will be free to comment on the (currently alleged) activities of the Islamic gentlemen in question. If they are convicted, we will be free to comment on their sentences.

Sometimes one must bite one's tongue.

 

[DrRingDing]

Sometimes one must bite one's tongue.

*gets up*

*walks to corner of room*

*Sits facing corner*

*crosses arms in huff*

*sticks bottoms lip out*

*hangs head*

*sulks*

 

[free spirit]

*joins drringding'

 

[JHE]

Of course, such nicities needn't inhibit one from gushing generalised Islamophile twaddle!

 

[detective-boy]

Notes from the BorrowdaleLand

There have been - and there continue to be - very difficult questions being asked about how to maximise the chances of identifying the relatively few "real" suspects amongst the relatively high numbers of suspects crossing the intelligence radar.

We really are in an entire new world as far as the number in the intelligence equation are concerned - there are lots more needles but the haystack has increased in size almost exponentially.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm going to be quite interested to see what they say when put on the stand.

Blair has consistently denied that his policies had anything to do with the 7/7 bombings, despite video evidence from the perpetrators to the contrary.

I also recall that the guy from this lot who was arrested in Italy said a bunch of highly embarassing 'We did it because of Iraq' stuff before HMG (presumably) persuaded the Italians to shut him up.

So it's going to be interesting to see what line of defence these guys take in court.

 

[agricola]

I'm going to be quite interested to see what they say when put on the stand.

Blair has consistently denied that his policies had anything to do with the 7/7 bombings, despite video evidence from the perpetrators to the contrary.

I also recall that the guy from this lot who was arrested in Italy said a bunch of highly embarassing 'We did it because of Iraq' stuff before HMG (presumably) persuaded the Italians to shut him up.

So it's going to be interesting to see what line of defence these guys take in court.

As much as Blair may be disagreed with about Iraq, he is not wrong when he says that politics has nothing to do with the 7/7 bombing - IMHO if you are willing to take a bomb onto a tube or bus and blow yourself, and several of your fellow human beings, up, then you pretty much lose any justification you have for doing anything, because you are scum.

 

[laptop]

But if we're going to think about prevention (of any crime) we have to think about why people do it - or even why they think they do it.

 

[TAE]

As much as Blair may be disagreed with about Iraq, he is not wrong when he says that politics has nothing to do with the 7/7 bombing - IMHO if you are willing to take a bomb onto a tube or bus and blow yourself, and several of your fellow human beings, up, then you pretty much lose any justification you have for doing anything, because you are scum.

Having a reason and that reason being a justification are two very different things.

 

[TAE]

We really are in an entire new world as far as the number in the intelligence equation are concerned - there are lots more needles but the haystack has increased in size almost exponentially.

So we keep being told. But is that because there are really more terrorists or because more people are being suspected?

 

[TAE]

I'm going to be quite interested to see what they say when put on the stand.

They are denying the charges, so I don't think they will say anything regarding motivations.

 

[laptop]

They are denying the charges, so I don't think they will say anything regarding motivations.

I observe that the guy arrested in Italy protested strongly that he had been engaged in a "deliberate hoax".

(A matter of record, available to the jury, so not a problem reporting it.)

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Having a reason and that reason being a justification are two very different things.

Quite.

Conflating an attempt at uncovering the causes behind an evil act with a claim that it was justified, often indicates a strong motive of some kind to hide those causes from view IMO.

 

[Andy the Don]

According to one of the bombers, the one who made it to Rome. It was all a huge jolly "wheeze" & they did not mean to be taken seriously. Well that's Blair's & Bush's defence sorted if they ever get charged by the ICC over Iraq.