what, no let's blame iran for iraq brit deaths thread?

[nino_savatte]

I think they're going to try and use the Mojahedin-e-Khalq, a weird 'Marxist-Islamist' group who are hated by the rest of the Iranian opposition, as a contra force.

There were ads in the London papers a while back demanding the MEK no longer be classified as terrorists. . .

What really gets me is the way they think we haven't seen this sort of thing before. The crook Chalabi was presented as the model exiled dissident...and now look where he is.

 

[dylanredefined]

There has already been one stand off with the Iranian revolountinary
guard they established some observation posts in iraq .The us wanted the Brits to take them out .Wiser heads prevailed and the left after negoations .+ The
boat seizing incident .
Maybe they want the iranian government to reign in the revolountinary guard or which ever elements in iran are supplying the insurgents .The iranians/iraq maybe fellow muslims but they fought a very bloody war and the iraqes still dont like iranians .

 

[ViolentPanda]

I probably meant preparing the way in the public's mind. I expect to see the appearance of several Iranian "dissidents" in the coming weeks. Perhaps we'll be treated to an appearance from one of the Pahlavis.

Probably the heir, who just happens to be an American citizen.

 

[nino_savatte]

Probably the heir, who just happens to be an American citizen.

Like so many of the Iraqis who returned after the invasion.

Have you seen his site? For all his money I thought he might come up with something a bit more flash...but no.
http://www.farahpahlavi.org/

Actually, this is better
http://www.rezapahlavi.org/index.htm

 

[kyser_soze]

Who sold Iran the weapons in the first place?

The Chinese? Some dodgy bloke with a briefcase and a truckload of AK-47s?

Can anyone show the last time a British company directly, or indirectly within a range of say 2 intermediaries, sold Iran any weapons?

And of course, the Iranian government and spooks are UTTER paragons of virtue and wouldn't have the teeniest element of self interest in causing trouble in Iraq for USUK.

Nope, absolute saints.

 

[Poi E]

The iranians/iraq maybe fellow muslims but they fought a very bloody war and the iraqes still dont like iranians .

Yes, and many, many Iranians died thanks to US weaponry put in Iraqi hands.

 

[nightowl]

here we go again. the anti-iranian cobblers is starting to build-up. iraq all over again. anyone want to guess what date the war will start?

 

[Pickman's model]

here we go again. the anti-iranian cobblers is starting to build-up. iraq all over again. anyone want to guess what date the war will start?

st tony blair's birthday.

 

[X-77]

Nope, absolute saints.

surely not as saintly as the UK though - that would take some beating...

 

[kyser_soze]

ALL States are equally twattish and hypocritical in their actions, esp when it comes to foreign policy...it's the reason I find it useful to suspend moral judgement on the issue and focus on whether something works or not...

 

[X-77]

here we go again. the anti-iranian cobblers is starting to build-up. iraq all over again. anyone want to guess what date the war will start?

exactly, and anyone that falls for this shit for the umpteenth time is surely either thick as shit or a gung-ho arsehole

 

[ViolentPanda]

Like so many of the Iraqis who returned after the invasion.

Have you seen his site? For all his money I thought he might come up with something a bit more flash...but no.
http://www.farahpahlavi.org/

I notice the memorial bit to Leila doesn't mention her drug addictions and her supposed mode of employment for funding her lifestyle.

Actually, this is better
http://www.rezapahlavi.org/index.htm

"Better" is a very subjective word!

The graun's weekend mag did a 7 or 8 pager with Reza Pahlavi about 3 years ago, where he hinted at his desire to be invited back to Iran to rule by a grateful people who had grown tired of being oppressed by fundamentalists. I nearly choked on my oatcake!

 

[ViolentPanda]

exactly, and anyone that falls for this shit for the umpteenth time is surely either thick as shit or a gung-ho arsehole

So you reckon pbman will buy it then?

 

[nino_savatte]

I notice the memorial bit to Leila doesn't mention her drug addictions and her supposed mode of employment for funding her lifestyle.

"Better" is a very subjective word!

The graun's weekend mag did a 7 or 8 pager with Reza Pahlavi about 3 years ago, where he hinted at his desire to be invited back to Iran to rule by a grateful people who had grown tired of being oppressed by fundamentalists. I nearly choked on my oatcake!

R. Pahlavi's living in his own universe where he sits on the Peacock Throne. He reckons he is some great authority on 'democracy'. Yeah, just like daddy.

 

[X-77]

So you reckon pbman will buy it then?

without a doubt!

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

here we go again. the anti-iranian cobblers is starting to build-up. iraq all over again. anyone want to guess what date the war will start?

20 January 2006.

 

[audiotech]

here we go again. the anti-iranian cobblers is starting to build-up. iraq all over again. anyone want to guess what date the war will start?

Too much shit in Iraq to worry about. The last thing that is desired is a conflagration involving Iran.

I noticed Blair showing some embarassment today when the Iraqi president, Mr Talabani, made remarks similar in fact to Iraq's Prime Minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, also today, who has rejected accusations that Shia Muslim Iran is interfering in Iraq's internal affairs. The Iranians who were watching Blair speak almost laughed out loud when he said that foreign countries should stop meddling in Iraq's affairs.

 

[mk12]

Reminds me of when Bush said [about the Lebanese elections], "you can't have free and fair elections with an occupying force in the country".

 

[phildwyer]

ALL States are equally twattish and hypocritical in their actions, esp when it comes to foreign policy...it's the reason I find it useful to suspend moral judgement on the issue and focus on whether something works or not...

Right. You see a moral equivalence between Myanmar and Sweden, for example?

 

[phildwyer]

I notice the memorial bit to Leila doesn't mention her drug addictions and her supposed mode of employment for funding her lifestyle.

Let me get this straight: you're calling her a junkie whore, is that correct?

 

[nino_savatte]

Let me get this straight: you're calling her a junkie whore, is that correct?

And what would you call her?

 

[oi2002]

You'd have to see the kerfuffle in Basra in the wider diplomatic context.

Iran has had covert networks operating in Iraq for at least a couple of decades. The Iranians have already established a brazenly intimate relationship new Iraqi government. This already appears to be to some extent a controlling relationship as Iraqi policy blatently favors Iranian interests.

The escalation of problems in the Shia South follows the election of a bold hard Right government in Tehran. The recent incident in Basra kicked off directly after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made a bullish speech on Irans nuclear ambitions and revealed his strong hand of diplomatic cards against UN sanctions. Saudi has been bleating in alarm at DC's apparent acceptance of Tehran's growing power in Iraq.

Now even if Iran isn't behind any of the trouble, its well understood by security people that they have the covert capability and indeed that they've been extraordinarily restrained in it's use so far. Things in Iraq would undoubtedly be far worse if Iran was pursuing a policy of covert military intervention, the whole Shi'a South would be burning and British dead would be numbered in 100s not 10s.

At most what we've got here is a shot across our bows by a Tehran intent on political dominance in Iraq. On the other side a probably paranoid response from a throughly flumoxed London recently chastised by a purple headed Dick Cheney. Based on the state of play Tehran is either very lucky or considerably better at this game than DC or London, paranoia would be understandable.

 

[Poi E]

a Tehran intent on political dominance in Iraq. .

In the footsteps of others...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip>throughly flumoxed London recently chastised by a purple headed Dick Cheney.<snip>.

I think you've already posted a source backing up your reasons for saying this, but I can't remember where.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Let me get this straight: you're calling her a junkie whore, is that correct?

To be more accurate, a junkie and occasional "high class call girl".

 

[oi2002]

I think you've already posted a source backing up your reasons for saying this, but I can't remember where.

I'm speculating on Dick being engorged with rage, this hasn't been reported. US military sources have been very critical of the strategic failure of the British in Basra. The British policy of critical engagement with Iran is also in tatters. He's not a temperate man at best of time I'd expect Dick is taking it out on Straw and Mr Tony.

Ahmadinejad fucking with Haliburton can't have been pleasing. If there is a backstairs deal over the Basra oil resources between the US energy companies and Tehran that will be down the toilet as well.

 

[kyser_soze]

Right. You see a moral equivalence between Myanmar and Sweden, for example?

AFAIK Myanmar doesn't really have that much of a foreign policy which is specifically what I'm referring to, but since Sweden had eugenics programs in relatively recent history and has a thriving, well traded arms industry no, not especially no.

I'm not saying the British govts right but unlike some people on this thread I'm not stupid enough to give the appearance that I think that Iran is some kind of patron saint of non-interference in other countries affairs and would never dream of sending agents and operatives into Iraq at the moment.

Fucks sake, I'd do it if I was in their position - absolutely perfect time to do it, innit? No real central authority, plenty of potential allies to hide your people among...massive potential benefits in seeing at least a part of Iraq become fierce Shias and possible long term allies...

I also fail to see why an Iranian politician denying something they've been accused of has any more credibility than Blair quite frankly.

 

[Idris2002]

To be more accurate, a junkie and occasional "high class call girl".

I look forward to the Marjane Satrapi cartoon version.

 

[Barking_Mad]

all's not well, obviously

The British never claimed that their tac*tics were the magic keys to a peaceful occu*pation. “Contrasting the American way against the British way is a false dichotomy,” says the First Battalion’s Capt. Owain Luke, a veteran of Northern Ireland, the Balkans and two tours in Iraq. “It’s like comparing a rough part of Los Angeles to a quiet Midwestern town.” Yet many who’ve considered the laissez-faire British way to be superior to the Americans’ more con*frontational style are having doubts. With the recent flare-up of violence in the south, growing numbers of Iraqis say the British may have ultimately done more harm than good, chiefly because they turned a blind eye to the excesses of Shiite militias and radical religious groups. “British forces are only interested in saving their soldiers. They neglected everything else,” says one local leader, Baqir al-Tamimi. “This ‘neu*tral’ position lets some people do whatever they like.”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9623112/site/newsweek/

 

[X-77]

I regularly read ITV teletext's letters page (p.346) and there have been several letters amazed at the blatant anti-Iran propaganda in the news recently and asking how long it will be before we 'have to' invade -- people aren't as sucked in as the mainstream media/Blair & co would like it, seems!