nino_savatte
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They're lumped in with "Other", so no real news unfortunately. RTE News is on soon. You can't consider Labour to be "left", they're about as "left" as NuLabour.
What? No Irish election thread?
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disownedspirit
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nino_savatte said:
and the progressive democrats aren't progressive
nino_savatte
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disownedspirit said:and the progressive democrats aren't progressive
They remind me of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democrats in Yeltsin's 'new democratic' Russia: who were neither "liberal" nor "democratic".
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
disownedspirit said:
Radio was reporting Boyd Barrett was doing fairly well
Live feed here
http://newstalk.ie/
nino_savatte said:
vous etes un enquiquineur et vous pensez que vous avez quelque chose signifiant a dire.... quel dommage que vous etes un grand idiot qui pense qu''il est plus important qu'il est deja. vous etes nicolas sarkozy.
(not you, of course, nino, and your mastery of french accents on computers is well ahead of mine).
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
disownedspirit said:
Boyd Barrett looks to take his seat from a Green, Barrett is SWP, so thats hardly a leftie win. We've also Lost Joe Higgins, Higgins was a dyed in the wool old skool working class Socialist Party TD. He took an average industrial wage and donated the rest to the party, his car and driver, were put to the disposal of his constituencys, ferrying OAP to the shops and doctor. He went to Jail over service charges protests. Most importantly in the Dail he was a consistent thorn in the government's side, eloquent, funny, sarcastic, and beligerant, the lone voice of his party, speaking honestly openly and from the heart.
Irish election count
Does anyone know the hours of voting in place in Ireland?
Are there postal votes?
Counting started at 9am the day after (ie. the 25th - today), so does counting go on through the night now until all results are in?
Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know the hours of voting in place in Ireland?
Are there postal votes?
Counting started at 9am the day after (ie. the 25th - today), so does counting go on through the night now until all results are in?
Thanks in advance.
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lewislewis
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Congrats to Ireland for having a strong democracy, shame that Ahern seems to have gotten off lightly again despite well document scandals and the poor state of health and transport.
N_igma
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Thank fuck that cunt McDowell went down, hate that man.
Hmm, it's a tricky position for FF, I don't think they'll have enough seats to get a coalition with the PD's or the Greens, so they might have to turn to Independants or god forbid the Labour party. We'll just have to see how the seats pan out.
Hmm, it's a tricky position for FF, I don't think they'll have enough seats to get a coalition with the PD's or the Greens, so they might have to turn to Independants or god forbid the Labour party. We'll just have to see how the seats pan out.
disownedspirit
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guinnessdrinker said:
mais il a fait le point no?
good to see you guiness
8den said:
Do the Irish have postal votes, or haven't they descended to that level of corruption yet?
Or aren't there enough Tories or Asians in Ireland yet?
nino_savatte
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guinnessdrinker said:
Aye, I tend to get my genders all confused. I always remember that words that end in "ion" tend to be feminine...beyond that, I get a little lost.
I do a pretty good Gallic shrug too!
nino_savatte
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How does anyone think FF will tackle the health service mess? Does anyone think that they will have any real ideas or will they implement cosmetic changes and retain the two tier provision? Health was a big issue during the election, so FF ignore it at their peril.
nino_savatte said:
Given the immense vote for FF, it would appear that Irish voters are as idiotic as English ones.
They'll vote for right wing twats anyway.
So who cares about the health service.
It would have been more interesting to see what the votes would have been if the 26 counties were still in the Union!
being a dubliner from a fairly normal working class/republican family I must say I feel really saddened by the election results. it seems every scumbag who has had the finger of corruption pointed at them has been joyously re-elected.
the collapse of the shinners is fucking sad I mean I live in england and have never voted but at least if they had of done well it would of been a big fuck you to the irish political establishment and heralded change of some sort.
Im sad cos all theconservative wronguns got up and voted
Im sad cos FF gained votes cos of their involvement wih peace process
Im sad cos SF lost votes cos of their involvemnet with peace process (ie photo ops with Paisley)
man Im not going back home at least the PDs got hammered as well
irelands banjaxed
the collapse of the shinners is fucking sad I mean I live in england and have never voted but at least if they had of done well it would of been a big fuck you to the irish political establishment and heralded change of some sort.
Im sad cos all theconservative wronguns got up and voted
Im sad cos FF gained votes cos of their involvement wih peace process
Im sad cos SF lost votes cos of their involvemnet with peace process (ie photo ops with Paisley)
man Im not going back home at least the PDs got hammered as well
irelands banjaxed
nino_savatte
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donald duck said:
FF always play the republican card and they did it again in this election. They've been doing it since the early days of the Republic. It would seem that the only folk who care about the health service are the voters and the smaller parties (except the PDs).
nino_savatte
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yokerist said:being a dubliner from a fairly normal working class/republican family I must say I feel really saddened by the election results. it seems every scumbag who has had the finger of corruption pointed at them has been joyously re-elected.
the collapse of the shinners is fucking sad I mean I live in england and have never voted but at least if they had of done well it would of been a big fuck you to the irish political establishment and heralded change of some sort.
Im sad cos all theconservative wronguns got up and voted
Im sad cos FF gained votes cos of their involvement wih peace process
Im sad cos SF lost votes cos of their involvemnet with peace process (ie photo ops with Paisley)
man Im not going back home at least the PDs got hammered as well
irelands banjaxed
Aye, it is a shitty result and it will give FF succour and the confindence to continue to run roughshod over the electorate. The bastards already have a stranglehold on culture (think GAA) and they always claim to be "The Republican Party".
The only good thing to come out of this is a sharply decreased share of the vote for the PDs
nino_savatte
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Ahern rules out coalition with SF, cagey on deal with Labour
Regrettable, eh?
Regrettable, eh?
He also said that there are a number of Independents who are fairly close to the Fianna Fáil party, together with the two PDs who are options for partnership.
He didn't rule out the Green Party either saying they are 'another consideration'.
On the prospect of joining up with the Labour Party he said it was 'less likely' but he would give them 'some thought'.
Paddy's choose the right-wing!
So why did they want to leave the United Kingdom?
Or am I a West Briton?
So why did they want to leave the United Kingdom?
Or am I a West Briton?
disownedspirit
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was there any good news for the left ,
i saw higgins lost his seat and the other lefties didnt seem to do well at all
whats the positive spin
if there is any
i saw higgins lost his seat and the other lefties didnt seem to do well at all
whats the positive spin
if there is any
nino_savatte said:
yep its true the PDs got hammered and that was about the only good ting for anything remotely left/alternative.
the collapse of the shinner vote seems to me to represent the political disarmament of the community they represent/embody, this follows on from the milatary disarmament.
but hey seewhat happens next. . . . .
interesting listening to be found here
http://indymedia.ie/article/82713
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
donald duck said:
Because your country had persecuted, murdered and raped Ireland for centuries. A hard, cold truth.
Well back to the election, Fine Gael won seats because of health crisis, but at the end of the day Fianna Fail are the only party trusted with the continued expansion of Ireland's economy. It is a sad picture and sad that the more progressive parties lost out.
Nonetheless, we must all be pleased at Ireland's high turn out and the enthusiasm for their election that was displayed. It was covered all over the world, and Ireland's progress and wealth is a great achievement for a small, independent country.
We should continue to hope that progressive forces turn the tide in Ireland and redistribute that wealth more fairly.
nino_savatte
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yokerist said:yep its true the PDs got hammered and that was about the only good ting for anything remotely left/alternative.
the collapse of the shinner vote seems to me to represent the political disarmament of the community they represent/embody, this follows on from the milatary disarmament.
but hey seewhat happens next. . . . .
interesting listening to be found here
http://indymedia.ie/article/82713
Thanks, I'll check that.
yep listening to that radio documentary its interesting and amazing how any concept of socialism or social revolution got washed out of sinn fein when they "entered the quest for power politics":
that aside (which really makes them not worth a bollix for any libertarian/anarcho sympathizers)
I still think they would better represent working class people than any of the other freaks of Irish politics.
Their collapse in the election shows however that their entrance into "power politics" has not really gone to plan
I wonder which one of the Senior Party Strategists is actually working for the British State?????
that aside (which really makes them not worth a bollix for any libertarian/anarcho sympathizers)
I still think they would better represent working class people than any of the other freaks of Irish politics.
Their collapse in the election shows however that their entrance into "power politics" has not really gone to plan
I wonder which one of the Senior Party Strategists is actually working for the British State?????
nino_savatte
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yokerist said:
Aye, of course FF played the anti-commie card in the 30's, labelling anyone who looked vaguely left as a "subversive". This is probably the reason why Labour is a third party, rather than one of the main parties. Funny how so many FFers overlooked the contribution of socialists, particularly James Connolly, in the war of independence.
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