What makes an Immigrant?

[audiotech]

No revolution, but radical change to the right.

 

[Lock&Light]

No revolution, but radical change to the right.

A left-wing revolution would have to be very bloody indeed to match Thatcher's achievements.

 

[durruti02]

A left-wing revolution would have to be very bloody indeed to match Thatcher's achievements.

that sent a shiver down my spine .. it is indeed true that radical or revolutionary her acheivements are really deeply sick and scary ..

 

[audiotech]

A left-wing revolution would have to be very bloody indeed to match Thatcher's achievements.

Yeah, I know, woolly hats for pensioners to wear and advice on eating potato skins.

 

[girasol]

I'm an immigrant - blame it on me

My own country was built by immigrants, and so were most countries in the world.

 

[nino_savatte]

thatcher played a key role in destroying social democracy in this country ( and beyong actually) and replacing it with neo liberalism .. this was politically and economically revolutionary .. not as sexy for us as spain russia france etc , as left wing revolutions but ( nino take note) the term revolution does not assume they are left wing ..

That doesn't mean that she was a revolutionary any more than Franco was. I have heard many rightwingers describe the Spanish Civil War as a "revolution". But please, tell me what was so revolutionary about Franco's Spain, if you would be so kind?

The word "revolution" doesn't necessarily mean "violent overthrow" either. Have a think on that one.

 

[nino_savatte]

No revolution, but radical change to the right.

Exactly.

 

[durruti02]

I'm an immigrant - blame it on me

My own country was built by immigrants, and so were most countries in the world.

blame what on you??

 

[durruti02]

That doesn't mean that she was a revolutionary any more than Franco was. I have heard many rightwingers describe the Spanish Civil War as a "revolution". But please, tell me what was so revolutionary about Franco's Spain, if you would be so kind?

The word "revolution" doesn't necessarily mean "violent overthrow" either. Have a think on that one.

some qoutes from answers.com from OUP etc

http://www.answers.com/topic/revolution


"The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another...

A sudden or momentous change in a situation

[Middle English revolucioun, from Old French revolution, from Late Latin revolūtiō, revolūtiōn-, from Latin revolūtus, past participle of revolvere, to turn over. ]

Organized opposition intended to change or overthrow existing authority: insurgence, insurgency, insurrection, mutiny, rebellion, revolt, sedition, uprising.

a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.

The overthrow of an established order which will involve the transfer of state power from one leadership to another and may involve a radical restructuring of social and economic relations. Before 1789 the word often meant, truer to its literal meaning, a return to a previous state of affairs; since the French Revolution, the modern meaning has expelled this one.

In politics, fundamental, rapid, and often irreversible change in the established order. Revolution involves a radical change in government, usually accomplished through violence, that may also result in changes to the economic system, social structure, and cultural values.

Any major social and political transformation, sufficient to replace old institutions and social relations, and to initiate new relations of power and authority. Revolutions may or may not be violent, progressive, the result of class conflict, initiated by revolutionary agents, or inevitable.

revolution, in a political sense, fundamental and violent change in the values, political institutions, social structure, leadership, and policies of a society. The totality of change implicit in this definition distinguishes it from coups, rebellions, and wars of independence, which involve only partial change. "

thatcher was a revolutionary .. right wing and scum .. but she was a key to teh neo liberla revolution that has take this country back to victorian free market values

franco was a fascist and he overthrow a democratcically elected govt by violence with a radical ( and nasty and reactionary ) political programme .. possibly a revolutionary .. not sure on that one ..

 

[nino_savatte]

some qoutes from answers.com from OUP etc

http://www.answers.com/topic/revolution


"The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another...

A sudden or momentous change in a situation

[Middle English revolucioun, from Old French revolution, from Late Latin revolūtiō, revolūtiōn-, from Latin revolūtus, past participle of revolvere, to turn over. ]

Organized opposition intended to change or overthrow existing authority: insurgence, insurgency, insurrection, mutiny, rebellion, revolt, sedition, uprising.

a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.

The overthrow of an established order which will involve the transfer of state power from one leadership to another and may involve a radical restructuring of social and economic relations. Before 1789 the word often meant, truer to its literal meaning, a return to a previous state of affairs; since the French Revolution, the modern meaning has expelled this one.

In politics, fundamental, rapid, and often irreversible change in the established order. Revolution involves a radical change in government, usually accomplished through violence, that may also result in changes to the economic system, social structure, and cultural values.

Any major social and political transformation, sufficient to replace old institutions and social relations, and to initiate new relations of power and authority. Revolutions may or may not be violent, progressive, the result of class conflict, initiated by revolutionary agents, or inevitable.

revolution, in a political sense, fundamental and violent change in the values, political institutions, social structure, leadership, and policies of a society. The totality of change implicit in this definition distinguishes it from coups, rebellions, and wars of independence, which involve only partial change. "

thatcher was a revolutionary .. right wing and scum .. but she was a key to teh neo liberla revolution that has take this country back to victorian free market values

franco was a fascist and he overthrow a democratcically elected govt by violence with a radical ( and nasty and reactionary ) political programme .. possibly a revolutionary .. not sure on that one ..

Cut and paste, durutti? Franco was not a fascist, he was a conservative reactionary. He wasn't even a member of the Falange until around 1961. He used the Falange to support him in power.

Thatcher was about as revolutionary as Franco, in other words, she wasn't Thatcher was a reactionary; which is as far from being a revolutionary as one can get.

How many of these 'features' accompanied the so-called "Thatcher Revolution"?

Organized opposition intended to change or overthrow existing authority: insurgence, insurgency, insurrection, mutiny, rebellion, revolt, sedition, uprising.

Perhaps you've never heard of the word "appropriation" but you could do with looking it up.

 

[tbaldwin]

Cut and paste, durutti? Franco was not a fascist, he was a conservative reactionary. He wasn't even a member of the Falange until around 1961. He used the Falange to support him in power.

Fancy yerself as a bit of an expert on Franco do you?

 

[nino_savatte]

Fancy yerself as a bit of an expert on Franco do you?

So what do you know about Franco, dimwit?

Hadaway and shite.

 

[CyberRose]

I've never really thought about what "immigrant" might mean in a non-legal sense (as someone born in Sheffield, now living in Leeds, I suppose by some definitions I could be an immigrant!)

But in the legal sense, it means, imo, somebody with a different nationality to the state in which they reside, which therefore means, rightly or wrongly, they have different rights to native residents and are seen differently in the eyes of the law

 

[nino_savatte]

thatcher played a key role in destroying social democracy in this country ( and beyong actually) and replacing it with neo liberalism .. this was politically and economically revolutionary .. not as sexy for us as spain russia france etc , as left wing revolutions but ( nino take note) the term revolution does not assume they are left wing ..

That still isn't characteristic of a "revolutionary".

Look up the word "appropriation" and connect that with the words "of language".

 

[Pigeon]

So what do you know about Franco, dimwit?

He knows it's separated from the UK by the English Channel and that everyone living there smells of garlic and wears a beret.
Give im a fucken break!

 

[nino_savatte]

He knows it's separated from the UK by the English Channel and that everyone living there smells of garlic and wears a beret.
Give im a fucken break!

I beg your pardon; I was being unfair and 'orrible.

 

[tbaldwin]

He knows it's separated from the UK by the English Channel and that everyone living there smells of garlic and wears a beret.
Give im a fucken break!

Go on then give the racist idiot a hug....

 

[Pigeon]

Go on then give the racist idiot a hug....

Which one? By the by, you any closer to finding a source for your claim that every research survey of the past 20 years proves unequivocally that British blacks and Asians are calling for an end to immigration?

 

[durruti02]

Cut and paste, durutti? Franco was not a fascist, he was a conservative reactionary. He wasn't even a member of the Falange until around 1961. He used the Falange to support him in power.

Thatcher was about as revolutionary as Franco, in other words, she wasn't Thatcher was a reactionary; which is as far from being a revolutionary as one can get.

How many of these 'features' accompanied the so-called "Thatcher Revolution"?



Perhaps you've never heard of the word "appropriation" but you could do with looking it up.

you ignorence as to the fundamental change in british politics over the last nearly 30 years seems to come from your total misunderstanding of how revolutionary was thatcherism in ushering in neo liberalism in the UK and elsewhere ..

so .. ok ... things make a little bit more sense to me now as to how you are so totally and completly out of touch with reality ..

you appear to have missed 30 years of UK politics

 

[durruti02]

Which one? By the by, you any closer to finding a source for your claim that every research survey of the past 20 years proves unequivocally that British blacks and Asians are calling for an end to immigration?

er ever read the voice?? or listened to diane abbot critcising her local NHS trust for not employing local black kids and instead importing finns and philipinos??

 

[nino_savatte]

you ignorence as to the fundamental change in british politics over the last nearly 30 years seems to come from your total misunderstanding of how revolutionary was thatcherism in ushering in neo liberalism in the UK and elsewhere ..

so .. ok ... things make a little bit more sense to me now as to how you are so totally and completly out of touch with reality ..

you appear to have missed 30 years of UK politics

There is nothing "revolutionary" about reactionary politics. Only those who lack the wherewithal to think for themselves and supporters of Thatcher would regard her time in office as a "revolution".

I haven't "missed" anything, durutti, though it is obvious that in those 30 years you've had your head stuck up your arse.

 

[Pigeon]

er ever read the voice???

Well, we usually have a copy lying around where I work: we buy it for the waiting area, so's the clients who've come in for visa advice have something to read. What's your point?

 

[durruti02]

Well, we usually have a copy lying around where I work: we buy it for the waiting area, so's the clients who've come in for visa advice have something to read. What's your point?

so you have not noticed the articles and letters talking about how young afro caribbean people are being bypassed in employment by companies wishing to use cheap migrant labour?

 

[nino_savatte]

How was Thatcher's Britain progressive? What was so revolutionary about Section 28?

 

[jonH]

No one seems to know what makes an immigrant unless it's a xenophobe