What kind of night time economy do you want Brixton to have?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I've been reading more of the Council commisioned report on the night time economy across Lambeth.

    It looks at major centres across borough. From Norwood up to South Bank.

    The report has emphasis on Clapham. Says so itself.

    I think the report has a lot of interesting stuff. But some of it grates.

    It's class issue. Whilst reading it was reminded of a local businessman I know. Who has drink related business in Brixton and Clapham. Was chatting to him some time ago. He told me in Clapham if his bar caused any noise etc the Council are in his back straight away. Unlike Brixton. I asked him why. He said that really well off people live in area. If they complain the Council listens. Not the same in Brixton in his opinion.

    The report says over last twenty years night economy has increased in Clapham. That Clapham is/ was "leafy suburban" area. "Affluent". That there is "mismatch" between those living in "affluent" Clapham and those who use the night time economy. With "skilled working class" coming to Clapham now late nights. From other areas.

    Whether this is accurate I don't know. But reading a report written like this there imo is a class bias.

    The report also has it in for take aways. As in Norwood. Also in Brixton. Where report advises they should be limited. In Norwood report says there is potential for higher quality offer in evening.

    I was wondering why report had it in for take aways. They are popular in LJ. Don't seem to cause trouble.

    I came up CHL from Brixton and went by the row of shops opposite Barrier Block last Saturday evening. There are now three places newish to eat and drink. Well mainly drink in evening. The Cava coffee place now with drinks license was rammed. The Shrub and Shutter was busy. The new Yard wasnt doing well at all. The other busy place was the Chicken take away. The other three places clientele were all white and fairly well heeled. Outside the Chicken take away it was local Black youth chatting and eating.

    At several times in report was said that higher value evening economy was needed. There is nothing in report I've read so far that takes aboard class or race. In my example in short stretch of CHL the higher value are the newer places and the low value the Chicken take away. Low value in terms of the report.

    Unlike Clapham , where it's "affluent" population is mentioned more than once the fact that Brixton has long standing residential community is not mentioned. A big absence in this report. In the Clapham section the report asked residents what kind of community they wanted in Clapham. In Brixton this wasn't done. It's as though there isn't a residential community in Brixton.
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  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The night time economy report does however have a lot of good ideas and information.

    Since the relaxation of licensing alcohol sales has had mixed results government has given new powers to Councils to deal with problems associated with increase of NTE.

    Two measure Night Time Levy (see previous post of mine) and EMRO - Early Morning Restriction Order. This can limit sales of alcohol late night.

    The report was written before Brixton BID was established. In the report it advises that Lambeth holds back on using the two measures in Brixton. Waits for BID to deal with problems associated with the NTE.

    So the report says Business Improvement Districts will be able to manage NTE. This I found surprising as it's done with little evidence. Also assumed Brixton BID would be voted in.

    I don't see how a BID board composed of local business leaders can take unbiased role in management NTE in an area with a high residential population like Brixton.
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  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I do think some of the ways that Clapham is , so the report says, dealt with could be used in Brixton. Also a mixed residential, shopping and entertainment area.

    A "place plan" . Asking residents and business what sort of town centre they want day and night.

    A Night time economy manager.

    Also in report there is emphasis , correctly, in neighborhood management for local people and business. Brixton used to have a Town Centre Manager. Who held regular meeting with residents groups and local business. This all was cut.

    There is no local neighborhood management now. Brixton BID is not the answer. I think Council should bring back local neighborhood management.
  4. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    What Brixton has now for local neighborhood management is Brixton BID , who are very pro night economy and Council officers who think they know best.

    Take the idea to have all night market in Brixton Station road. Only stopped by locals saying no. Officers thought it was great idea. Or the planning application to change of use for space above Argos as restaurant/ bar for a chain. Officers support this.

    The report on NTE says there is danger of town centres losing there identity due to "blandification"if chains come in. And the report doesn't just mean Brixton. Talking about Nine Elms and Vauxhall.
  5. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    If you say it used to be a lot quieter on week nights than it is now I believe you. I also believe the various reports that it's generally busier and noisier, and that streets that previously didn't see much disturbance now do. What I don't think is true is exactly what I said: "I don't think it's true to say central brixton was "quiet by midnight" on weekends at any point in the past 20 years or so, at least."
    I know that because I've lived in Brixton for the past twenty years or so and until fairly recently was very regularly in central Brixton, after midnight, at weekends, and it was certainly not normally "quiet".
  6. sw16er

    sw16er Active Member

    Has this Council commisioned report been published on the Lambeth website?
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  7. Tolpuddle

    Tolpuddle Cooperative council-my arse.

    Nope, I know someone who knew it existed who got it via an FoI request a while ago.
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  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I see you are new. Tolpuddle has put this report PDF in page one post 6 of this thread.
  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Did they know why it was never used? I don't agree with all of it but it is useful report.

    Whilst the report is supportive of the night time economy it does say this needs proper resourced management.

    On planning and licensing it make good point that planning and licensing docs need to break down different uses. For example a place that gets planning agreement to be a restaurant shouldn't be allowed to use premises as late night bar on weekends. Which is exactly what happens. That the Council should with agreement with local community have percentages of restaurant, bars and clubs. Not allowing "mission creep" . As seen in Brixton.

    The report also , correctly imo, counts as after dark life all possible activities. Ie the Brixton Rec. Which stays open until 10pm at moment.

    It also says there should be range of evening options. Some more family oriented.

    One of the things that I don't like that has happened to Brixton is that it's not a place for children now. Reading the Brixton Bugle piece by lady who grew up in Electric Avenue that's not realistic now. I had acquaintance who moved out when he had a child. Didn't want to. It just got to much.
  10. Tolpuddle

    Tolpuddle Cooperative council-my arse.

    I believe it was felt to be white centric so got buried, after all it only cost council tax payers money.
  11. sw16er

    sw16er Active Member

    Thank you.
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So much sick on the streets these days. It's disgusting,
  13. 3Zeros

    3Zeros Well-Known Member

    I've noticed that in the last week or so on Coldharbour/Atlantic. It's so sudden that it made me think that there's perhaps a cause. Either a bug, a bar pushing shots, or one of the cocktail bars using an ingredient that's acting as an unexpected emetic. Or maybe we're just entering into Office Party Season...
  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Just inconsiderate wankers who can't handle their booze.
  15. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    If I was ever so pissed that I needed to puke (rarely), I generally aimed for the nearest drain, or at least the gutter.
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