what is your view on israel's territorial claims?
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Ginger: "Bollocks." Yes, I have as well in the exhibt on opposition and propaganda. Try researching it via Ottoman Censuses and maps as the Ottoman's ruled the land in theyear in question...not a people who would not even exist [even in their own minds] for another 70 odd years.
"A map would have been labeled that way if it had been drawn by Zionists themselves." Perhaps you are facing too much information...Notice the use of the phrase "Zionist Colony." Then notice the COMPLETE absence of ANY Jewish habitacion EXCEPT for 6 mixed areas, 2 of which were almost toally Jewish by the way [and neglected one almost totally Jewish medium sized city as well].
The word "colony" does not show it to be pro or anti Zionist? Sure, ok, if you say so. I mean, everyone knows trhat Zionists see themselves as European tools not native of the land. Get a grip, you are starting to make me laugh. Still haven't side stepped the complete absence of Jewish habitacion on the map. the ledgend lists "Zionist Colonies" but does not show a single one...Hmmmm....Cannot wait to hear youe EXCUSE on that one.
"Even most Israeli academics disagree with me?" OK, as long as Lewis and Migdal [among hundreds of others agree] I couldn't care less...even though you are completely wrong.
Before you ask me if I have ever met an Iraqi or Morrocan Jew, you better check who you are talking with so you minimise the egg on your face. Assumptions are a terrible thing. I might also suggest you brush up on your Islamic theology because you are getting soem more of that nasty egg on you.
How do a people who only lived there 350 years or less, originated in Arabia, and did not even exist as a separate people until 48 have a "historical connection" to theland?
"A map would have been labeled that way if it had been drawn by Zionists themselves." Perhaps you are facing too much information...Notice the use of the phrase "Zionist Colony." Then notice the COMPLETE absence of ANY Jewish habitacion EXCEPT for 6 mixed areas, 2 of which were almost toally Jewish by the way [and neglected one almost totally Jewish medium sized city as well].
The word "colony" does not show it to be pro or anti Zionist? Sure, ok, if you say so. I mean, everyone knows trhat Zionists see themselves as European tools not native of the land. Get a grip, you are starting to make me laugh. Still haven't side stepped the complete absence of Jewish habitacion on the map. the ledgend lists "Zionist Colonies" but does not show a single one...Hmmmm....Cannot wait to hear youe EXCUSE on that one.
"Even most Israeli academics disagree with me?" OK, as long as Lewis and Migdal [among hundreds of others agree] I couldn't care less...even though you are completely wrong.
Before you ask me if I have ever met an Iraqi or Morrocan Jew, you better check who you are talking with so you minimise the egg on your face. Assumptions are a terrible thing. I might also suggest you brush up on your Islamic theology because you are getting soem more of that nasty egg on you.
How do a people who only lived there 350 years or less, originated in Arabia, and did not even exist as a separate people until 48 have a "historical connection" to theland?
bluestreak
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GarfieldLeChat said:
i'll drink to that. sadly i think you and i are idealists who are unencumbered by muhc of the baggage that many in the area have. it's going to be civil war all the way sadly
Siarc: Ignorance is dangerous. Try researching the field of anthropology before trying to assciated it with racism. Like it or not, different groups of people have different [but somewhat common among themselves] physical characteristics. Have you even read the entire thread?
Bluestreak: A civil war is a war among warring factions from within one group...not different nations and peoples.
Bluestreak: A civil war is a war among warring factions from within one group...not different nations and peoples.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You've misrepresented VP's post in order to score a cheap point. VP said that only a "small percentage of anthropologists" use cranial dimensions as a tool. Please try reading and comprehending what the other person is saying and not what you want them to say.
In your 'reply' to me I have noticed a few things that tell me that you aren't exactly who you say you are. What do you mean "get with the program"? I know more about this subject than you would daregive me credit for. But I know why you do this: you can't stand the thought of being found out in a lie.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
rachamim18 said:
hmm remind me again about the semetic tribes... of which one was isreal...
i mean by all means attempt to change the actuallity fo the situation by reclassifying a whole group of people as being different isolating them as it were...
but it doesn't change facts...
unless of course you are talking about mustawtanaat in which case of course then you are looking at second and thrid generation european/american caucasions which is it??
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Do you deny that anthropology, alongside evolutionary theory have been powerful tools in the hands of racists?rachamim18 said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
In fact cranial dimensions, as I've reiterated every time this tedious point comes up, are indeed only used by a "small percentage of anthropologists", and can only be used in such cases where the subjects are either living in a "closed system" or are only recently emerged from one, otherwise hybridity will do it's usual work and dilute those traits into something new.
Nino: Again, even saying a "small percentage use it" is admitting that it is in fact an accepted methodology. Please be an adult and admit that you were wrong. there is nothing dirty about being srroneous Nino, even when it happens quite often.
As for noticing things about me, etc. If you would like to know anything about me, ask away, but please do it via p.m. as this is not the forum for your conspiracy theories. Thanks.
Garfield: Ancient Israel was a nation populated by 10 Semitic tribes linked via kinship. If you want the tibes individual names, they are right there in your Bible. Have fun.
Your second paragraph, no offense is a bunch of gibberish. Scratch that. Simply ammend it to say the rest of your post. PLEASE, crack some books. OR, at the very, very least...search the net.
Panda: You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Anthropology AND evolutionary science have been powerful tools in the twisted hands of racists. Most of the 19th Century was wasted omn that nonsense. Still, it does not negate the worth of actual science and scientific tools.
Indeed, for about the third time, you are correct about cranial dimensions. Again Nino, admit your mistake and move on like an adult.
Siarc: You close your pragraph that was a denial of having called me a racist, with another nasty taunt. Brillant. Seems you HAVE NOT read the thread, just as I thought.
As for noticing things about me, etc. If you would like to know anything about me, ask away, but please do it via p.m. as this is not the forum for your conspiracy theories. Thanks.
Garfield: Ancient Israel was a nation populated by 10 Semitic tribes linked via kinship. If you want the tibes individual names, they are right there in your Bible. Have fun.
Your second paragraph, no offense is a bunch of gibberish. Scratch that. Simply ammend it to say the rest of your post. PLEASE, crack some books. OR, at the very, very least...search the net.
Panda: You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Anthropology AND evolutionary science have been powerful tools in the twisted hands of racists. Most of the 19th Century was wasted omn that nonsense. Still, it does not negate the worth of actual science and scientific tools.
Indeed, for about the third time, you are correct about cranial dimensions. Again Nino, admit your mistake and move on like an adult.
Siarc: You close your pragraph that was a denial of having called me a racist, with another nasty taunt. Brillant. Seems you HAVE NOT read the thread, just as I thought.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I don't peddle "conspiracy theories" and only one who is desperate to evade detection would throw that at me. Again, I repeat, the way you have deployed the "cranial dimensions" cannard is not only racist but underlines your soi-disant ethnic superiority. There are plenty of examples of your declared ethnic superiority in this forum alone, shall I find them for you?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
instresting that you don't recognise your own description in the second paragraph you are idoloically and physically blind...rachamim18 said:
More offthread side stepping...
Nino: Yes please find them and be sure to to show me via p.m because this is not the place for it.
Garfield: Yet another person whpo prepers personalities to pertinent issues. Your loss.
Nino: Yes please find them and be sure to to show me via p.m because this is not the place for it.
Garfield: Yet another person whpo prepers personalities to pertinent issues. Your loss.
carry on ...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18 said:
You don't get it: I have no intention of starting a correspondence with you via PM. Anything I have to say to you, I will say here. Examples of your ethno-centricity abound on this forum and you constantly describe the Palestinian people in a disparaging and racist manner. You condone IDF troops raping Palestinian women by claiming it was "statuatory rape"...like that makes the act of rape more humane.
Nino: OFF TOPIC.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rachamim18 said:
Who are you to set the parameters of debate?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
no you failed to recognise the description or deleberatly ignored it which is it ...rachamim18 said:
you cannto just have a historical pick and mix it doesn't work likes that...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18 said:
rachamim 18: WEAK
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Is "statutory rape" a more humane and legitimate form of rape, rachamim? It's not very Jewish to apologise for rape - is it? Are you sure you're Jewish? I mean all this defence of rape and violence sounds a little Deuteronomic to me.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
While I understand that in some cases "statutory rape" legislation puts people through the criminal justice system who don't properly belong there, it does protect many underage females from predatory sexual approaches.
If the law says that (supposedly) consensual sex with a minor is illegal and punishable then cases should at the very least be reviewed to find out whether this is just a case of a 17yr-old boy boffing his 15yrs and 11 and a half months old girlfriend, or whether something more unsavoury has taken place.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
ViolentPanda said:
I just wonder why he brought it up in the first place. It's all a little odd.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
It's an issue in the US. Some people see it as circumscribing religious freedoms.
Panda: do not "set parameters of debate" I do however not when soemone, directing a post woatds me, is not posting on topic. It is an attempt at saving a thread as opposed to letting it just become a free for all with persoanlity issues. One would think that you might support this effort, but of course as this post clearly demonstrates, you are one of the people needing reminders
Garfield:I do not understand what you are talking about.
Nino: Stauatory rape is a different offense altogether Nino. At least here in America, one can be charged with both rape AND statuatory rape. The latter is a crime where a person of majority age has sexual relations with a minor, whether willingly or unwillingly. In many cases it is a good statute However, when a person who is 18 years old is charged with statuatory rape for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, it is an abuse of the law.
Panda [PART II]: Yes, exactly, there should be judcial oversight in cases like this [and many others] As you know, or probably know, I have first hand experience in both Israel and America's prison systems [although in the US each state varied widely] In my expereinces I met a guy who had just turned 18. He had a girlfriend who was 2 months shy of 16. They had been involved for almost 3 years and both sets of parents were well aware of the relationship. One day they got pulled over for a minor driving infraction and while being separately interviewed by the responding officer, it came out that the couple had been sexually active [you would be suprised what cops ask]. The officer radioed for a supervisor who also responded in person After a bit of talk they decided to charge the boy with the crime. He ended up with a 7 year sentence and will be forever marked not only as an ex con but as a sex offender as well. A sex offender in that state [New Jersey] is forced to register in whatever town he or she resides in ,and it is often made known to the subject's neighbours in the interests of protecting children.
Garfield:I do not understand what you are talking about.
Nino: Stauatory rape is a different offense altogether Nino. At least here in America, one can be charged with both rape AND statuatory rape. The latter is a crime where a person of majority age has sexual relations with a minor, whether willingly or unwillingly. In many cases it is a good statute However, when a person who is 18 years old is charged with statuatory rape for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, it is an abuse of the law.
Panda [PART II]: Yes, exactly, there should be judcial oversight in cases like this [and many others] As you know, or probably know, I have first hand experience in both Israel and America's prison systems [although in the US each state varied widely] In my expereinces I met a guy who had just turned 18. He had a girlfriend who was 2 months shy of 16. They had been involved for almost 3 years and both sets of parents were well aware of the relationship. One day they got pulled over for a minor driving infraction and while being separately interviewed by the responding officer, it came out that the couple had been sexually active [you would be suprised what cops ask]. The officer radioed for a supervisor who also responded in person After a bit of talk they decided to charge the boy with the crime. He ended up with a 7 year sentence and will be forever marked not only as an ex con but as a sex offender as well. A sex offender in that state [New Jersey] is forced to register in whatever town he or she resides in ,and it is often made known to the subject's neighbours in the interests of protecting children.
Religious freedoms.
Panda: VERY TRUE In the chaddishe world, the world in to which I was born, girls as young as 13 are betrothed and then married at 16 [usually]. Sometimes though the bride might be 15 The groom is always of age. There are a myriad of other groups who also have similar practices
Panda: VERY TRUE In the chaddishe world, the world in to which I was born, girls as young as 13 are betrothed and then married at 16 [usually]. Sometimes though the bride might be 15 The groom is always of age. There are a myriad of other groups who also have similar practices
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18: OFF TOPIC
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rachamim18 said:
Which should take primacy though, the socio-religious attitudes of what are invariably minorities, or the "law of the land"?
I'd argue that if you are part of an immigrant community in a country such as the US then obeying their laws rather than one's own social and cultural imperatives make a lot more sense in that it doesn't give your enemies ammunition with which to try to harm you.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:
Of course it is.
Obviously Rachamim, as the arbiter of what takes place on these boards (or so he appears to believe) has certain privileges that we mere mortals do not.
PAnda: No, only wishes so far as words directed towards me are concerned.
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