What is it you support about your football club?

[tangerinedream]

Tangerinedream, your points are valid. But tell me this is there so much difference in quality between 4th and 12 placed teams. Liverpool in the 90's got to see little or none of the money you speak of. We gave Houllier 120m and he gave us 6 trophies, one of them an FA cup (very jammy to get it too)
and an Uefa cup, we never even looked like getting our hands on the title, even in the year we came second. You talk as though man u and arsenal spend silly money. Reyes was Arsenal highest acquisition. Wenger is a vastly better version of harry redknapp - a wheeler and a dealer. but the difference is Wenger spots talents and moulds it and has the determination to win.
Right now in the premiership roughly everyone apart from chelsea is spending roughly equal amounts of money.

In transfer fees maybe. Do you think wage budgets are equally equitable? -

 

[muser]

In transfer fees maybe. Do you think wage budgets are equally equitable? -

Trezeguet was on 17k a week at juventus, and he had just won the world cup with france. Not many are on silly money. Do you think M. Ballack is worth a reported 120k a week. You can find his equivalent for a lot less.

 

[tangerinedream]

Trezeguet was on 17k a week at juventus, and he had just won the world cup with france. Not many are on silly money. Do you think M. Ballack is worth a reported 120k a week. You can find his equivalent for a lot less.

Of course I don't - but if as you suggest, all these world class cut price players are available then why does no-one emerge to challenge the status quo?

 

[muser]

Of course I don't - but if as you suggest, all these world class cut price players are available then why does no-one emerge to challenge the status quo?

They do emerge, though none are consistent enough with their performances.
Ask middlesborough how they managed to get mendieta when 2/3 years ago he was the hottest thing around and being touted at 30 million. He took a cut to go to middlesborough.

 

[tangerinedream]

They do emerge, though none are consistent enough with their performances.
Ask middlesborough how they managed to get mendieta when 2/3 years ago he was the hottest thing around and being touted at 30 million. He took a cut to go to middlesborough.

but why does no team emerge to challenge? That's what I meant - Mendietta went on loan to Boro at first cos his team couldn't get shut of him.

 

[muser]

but why does no team emerge to challenge? That's what I meant - Mendietta went on loan to Boro at first cos his team couldn't get shut of him.

Get guus hinddink to manage dagenham and redbridge, and I bet they will be in the premiership within 6 or 7 years. Despite mentioning that standards have risen they haven't done so in comparison with our continental counterparts. In yesteryear it was a pick from the best of the rest team will win the league, to now only the best will win it. For me it is about standards, at the world cup England played like they were watching old wimbledon repeats. No other team in the competition played as badly as we did IMHO.
What you are advocating is a jumpers for goal post and division 3 football.

 

[tangerinedream]

Get guus hinddink to manage dagenham and redbridge, and I bet they will be in the premiership within 6 or 7 years. Despite mentioning that standards have risen they haven't done so in comparison with our continental counterparts. In yesteryear it was a pick from the best of the rest team will win the league, to now only the best will win it. For me it is about standards, at the world cup England played like they were watching old wimbledon repeats. No other team in the competition played as badly as we did IMHO.
What you are advocating is a jumpers for goal post and division 3 football.

No I'm not.

You are Rupert Murdoch's chief advocate and I rest my case.

Also, you basically have written the entire history of your own club off with that post.

Keegan, Toshack, Dalglish etc - you were the best of the rest!

 

[muser]

No I'm not.

You are Rupert Murdoch's chief advocate and I rest my case.

Also, you basically have written the entire history of your own club off with that post.

Keegan, Toshack, Dalglish etc - you were the best of the rest!

In terms of football quality we weren't a patch on teams today. Man U back then use to have their wicked way with us all the time. This is why I advocate playing good quality football, because in the end it truimphs.
You can't say we were a dominant side like the 90's Man U side (which pains me to say). My club is a great club, but I know we haven't always played the game as it is require of the best teams. We poach games, we don't win them.

 

[1927]

I support the frustrating entity that it is Cardiff City, but it's more to do with the history and heritage and sense of 'belonging' than the players.

Passions and fashions change through your life, but watching Cardiff hoof the ball around is the one thing I know that I'll still be doing if I live to be 101.

There's no force on earth that could make me support any London team with the same level of interest or passion, even though I've lived in London longer than Wales now.

I support West ham because I was sat in front of a tv as a one year old watching them win the World cup in '66 and identified with Bobby Moore. As I got older i was able to appreciate the fact that they played attractive footy and were the perennial underachievers and underdogs.

Cardiff on the other hand is where I have lived all my life and had my first kit when I was five.

I never thought that they would be in the same league and have always been able to reconcile my dual love on that basis,when they have shared thesame league I have been torn in two.

I watch city more than the hammers and its a great club. behind the scenes theres a great atmosphere and to meet Sam Hamman and realise the passion he has for the club and its supporters is an inpsiration. everyone behind the scenes actually feels that they can influence the way things are at the club and I think thats really healthy.

 

[Balbi]

I'm a Portsmouth supporter.

We've been successful and shite in equal doses throughout our history. We're one of the few to win the top league title back to back and held the FA Cup for 6 years (1939-1945 innit...shhh, it counts ). We've been on a tour down the leagues and then found we'd got a return ticket back to the top again.

But I can say positively, despite the glamour of the Premiership and the associated cash - the last two years managerial muppetry and the ongoing stadium and training ground fiasco - despite all of this, we are still being run like we're in division three.

And that's one of the reasons I bloody love my club. We're complete amateurs at this "SUPER PREMIERSHIP STARDOM" stuff and don't mind being unprofessional in order to wallop our rivals or to ban all red top reporters from our ground. Our chairman is a mental serb called Milan, our manager is unsure of which end of the M27 he's working and our training ground is a bleeding joke.

But, despite all of it - we manage to make it through, hook and crook (and i'm not talking about our Russian/French son of an arms dealer chairman ) and have some proper fun as supporters while we're at it. Half the time in the prem is looking at Henry sticking yet another one past us, Kostas Chalkias being a fucking terrible goalkeeper, our manager fucking off to our rivals, being managed by Jerry Seinfeld, buying dross and claiming its an improvement. The other half includes Matty Taylor belting in an equaliser at Anfield or going to 4 - 2 - 4 against Charlton Athletic in the last fifteen minutes and winning 4 - 2 from 2 - 2, Pedro Mendes screaming two in extra time to win against citeh and not forgetting FUCKING THUMPING THE SCUMMERS and then waving them goodbye into the fizzy pop league and all of the joys and heartbreak that comes with it.

But while you're doing it - you're going 'fuckin' hell - we used to have Leigh Mills up front and Carl Tiler defending - six years ago'....

 

[Streathamite]

what do i support about arsenal? well, a FEW of the players, and I do have a high degree of respect for the board.
i support the club, and what it means to me.
i support the 'no-one likes us we don't care' ethos that is at the heart of the club.
i support the community that is its' fanbase.
I support the memories they've given me.

 

[linerider]

Born a Hammer die a Hammer i've never had a choice.
Born in Barking what more can i say.

 

[tangerinedream]

In terms of football quality we weren't a patch on teams today. Man U back then use to have their wicked way with us all the time. This is why I advocate playing good quality football, because in the end it truimphs.
You can't say we were a dominant side like the 90's Man U side (which pains me to say). My club is a great club, but I know we haven't always played the game as it is require of the best teams. We poach games, we don't win them.

You seriously think the Liverpool dynasty that won 3 european cups and god knows how many league titles were not as good as Man Utd? Your are not making sense here. Man Utd won nothing bar the FA cup once or twice in that period and you think they were the better side? Muser - I can't carry on arguing with you - it just doesn't make sense.

 

[muser]

You seriously think the Liverpool dynasty that won 3 european cups and god knows how many league titles were not as good as Man Utd? Your are not making sense here. Man Utd won nothing bar the FA cup once or twice in that period and you think they were the better side? Muser - I can't carry on arguing with you - it just doesn't make sense.

Don't take that literally. when taken literally anything becomes nonsense, we have 5 european trophies. Answer this question, did liverpool win the CL 2005 or did milan lose it? I remember a game a few years back against valencia and we played so badly that des lynam made a comment to the effect that we have little grasp of the game. What I dislike and what you are doing is proposing a well established view, I don't accept that view as I think it is flawed. For all the points you raise about the premiership it is far better than it was 20 years ago. I think it is 77 that we won the league by 1 point. We won the Cl, league and FA cup but lost to man u in the milk cup. Check the stats on our record against man u before 1990, it won't make for pretty reading.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I have no real family affiliation to West Ham, I support them more as I just liked the club, the way they try to play good football despite not being the richest club on the planet (to say the least), and the way they bring through so many good English talents, even though we always end up losing half of them.

Tedix was right, we probably will never win the league, we are just too inconsistent, but that's part of what makes following us fun!

 

[Balbi]

Don't take that literally. when taken literally anything becomes nonsense, we have 5 european trophies. Answer this question, did liverpool win the CL 2005 or did milan lose it?

UEFA.com and the big shiny trophy say

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2004/2005 WINNERS - LIVERPOOL F.C

so, er....that answers your question.

But if you want an equal one to that.

Did Man Utd win the CL 1999 or did Bayern lose it?

 

[bluestreak]

They're the greatest team in football the world has ever seen

you support west ham too then!

i support west ham cos i grew up in ilford. simple as. you're from ilford, you support west ham.

 

[chieftain]

Spurs too have and continue to spend large amounts of money - Not as much as Chelsea, but still far, far more than say Wolves.

Spurs have spent very wisely recently buying young players and manging a few good loans deals, we have a very good youth team aswell and its begining to make some impact... Rebrov is still or record sigining for 11m which isnt that much in the grand scheme of things

so no we havent spent loads on individual players but we have spent a fair bit wisely on our squad... and its paying off

 

[Balbi]

Bolton Wanderers record signing was - I believe - still Dean Holdsworth for 3.5 million. Not sure if the Diouf deal eclipsed that.

 

[muser]

I have no real family affiliation to West Ham, I support them more as I just liked the club, the way they try to play good football despite not being the richest club on the planet (to say the least), and the way they bring through so many good English talents, even though we always end up losing half of them.

Tedix was right, we probably will never win the league, we are just too inconsistent, but that's part of what makes following us fun!

The fact that you are playing the right football, keeps you guessing as you know you can do it as the fundamentals are right.

 

[muser]

UEFA.com and the big shiny trophy say

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2004/2005 WINNERS - LIVERPOOL F.C

so, er....that answers your question.

But if you want an equal one to that.

Did Man Utd win the CL 1999 or did Bayern lose it?

Are you joking, or do you want that answered? Can never tell with you

 

[Balbi]

Are you joking, or do you want that answered? Can never tell with you

Well I have never seen you carry out any argument to a conclusion beyond you denying that other people have an opinion which differs from yours

Which doesn't answer your question now does it?

Irritating, n'est pas?

 

[chieftain]

Im a Spurs supporter... I can't tell you exaclty what I support about them other than that I have always have and they've made me both happy and upset.

They have however at different times played some of the best football I have seen...

Its nothing to do with any community fan base bollocks or attitude of the club, its more to do with the different feelings I get around a Spurs game from butterflys to sheer joy and from frustration to rejection.

It is however like a safe version of love in as much as that unlike "real" relationships with people, deep down I know that no matter what I can't hurt it and it can't hurt me.

 

[Streathamite]

I think it was in 82/3 they won the league title and many were saying (media) that they could surplant us and create a legacy of their own. Robinson played down their chances of success, while (I assume) remaining confident.

errmm....Ipswich never won the league under Robson - only under Ramsey, in '62

 

[muser]

errmm....Ipswich never won the league under Robson - only under Ramsey, in '62

I'm getting alot of things wrong. You are right.

 

[tangerinedream]

errmm....Ipswich never won the league under Robson - only under Ramsey, in '62

I've already told him that!!!