What is happening to London?

[Pete the Greek]

what

Why should they have to?

what

Oh dear. I don't think you've turned your sarcasm detector on today huh Fridge? I was making direct references to put downs you have hitherto used on me, except in the context of the argument.

I do not believe Muslims should feel obliged to apologise. But you're claim was that they are somehow being coerced into apologising, and it's not borne out in reality. Fact is, the community is notably silent on all matters pertaining to issues that exist within their circles. But I know your views on this and I can't be arsed with a row.

Anyway, this is about London, not the Lebanon. Who do you think I am?

Well, apart from PtG.

Are you a bit obsessed with the whole Islam and Britain debate these days, Fridge?

 

[untethered]

So how much worse do you think the morals of children are from their previous generation now? 15 times? 20 times?

The point is that each generation declares things to be out of control and worse then before, yet history doesn't bear this out.

You're most probably right.

I'd be more interested in addressing what's bad in society and working towards sorting it out than making comparisons with other times and places, favourable or otherwise.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Seven Sisters is a bit of a funny one. I didn't like it when I was first up there but i learnt to be very fond of it. My favourite place for being peaceful was Stamford Hill. And Clapton ( although murder mile at the time) was a great place with the wonderful peaceful river Lea to relax by.

To be honest, while I have a bit of affection for the place after living there for a few years, I think Seven Sisters is basically a bit of a shithole. There was just a sort of dead-eyed look that all of the residents got after a while. Some fantastic places (e.g. the Swan is a terrific pub) but I found the whole experience depressing.

Although admittedly I was a bit miserable at the time, being skanked by loads of different flatmates for rent and having to sort out the bills for a whole house full of lazy fuckers.

 

[boohoo]

To be honest, while I have a bit of affection for the place after living there for a few years, I think Seven Sisters is basically a bit of a shithole. There was just a sort of dead-eyed look that all of the residents got after a while. Some fantastic places (e.g. the Swan is a terrific pub) but I found the whole experience depressing.

Although admittedly I was a bit miserable at the time, being skanked by loads of different flatmates for rent and having to sort out the bills for a whole house full of lazy fuckers.

Well the real reason I like all those places is because I'm near the River Lea. I went there at the weekend -Clapton, Hackney and spent time looking at the water and the wildlife and I felt really refreshed. The people in north London seem pretty similar to the people in the south though there seems to be a bigger mix in north London. Still lots of various problems in the areas - prostitution creeping back into Seven sisters and Stamford Hill, Hackney and it's gun crime., the Turkish drug dealers, etc...

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Oh dear. I don't think you've turned your sarcasm detector on today huh Fridge? I was making direct references to put downs you have hitherto used on me, except in the context of the argument.

I do not believe Muslims should feel obliged to apologise. But you're claim was that they are somehow being coerced into apologising, and it's not borne out in reality. Fact is, the community is notably silent on all matters pertaining to issues that exist within their circles. But I know your views on this and I can't be arsed with a row.

Anyway, this is about London, not the Lebanon. Who do you think I am?

Well, apart from PtG.

Are you a bit obsessed with the whole Islam and Britain debate these days, Fridge?

Yuh. I said there was an expectation there that they would be continually begging forgiveness, and there is. The fact that you say that "the community is notably silent" just illustrates that (a) you don't pay any attention - if you actually look. there are shitloads of people saying "we don't want to be associated with nutcases", perfectly publicly, and that (b) you think that they should, bearing out my original point. Because otherwise why would you even bother mentioning the fact? Do Jews have to beg forgiveness for the actions of the Israeli government? Do white people have to beg forgiveness for white supremacists? When was the last time you apologised for the existence of people who claim your ethnic/racial/cultural/etc background as justification for being cunts? Come on, do it harder.

 

[LDR]

The first place I lived in London was a street just opposite Stamford Hill railway station. It was a bit of an eye opener for a small town New Zealand boy.

I don't think I'd ever met a Jewish person before let alone an orthodox Jew. The two prostitutes who worked outside our front door always asked how I was and if I was looking for a good time. My Good Lady Wife was often chatted up by kerb crawlers on the way home from the pub. However, it didn't ever seem unsafe and we never had any threats or saw any violence that I can remember.

I really enjoyed my time there. At lot of it had to do with all the different nationalities living together in a big huge house. Danish, Austrian, Australian, English, Italian, Kiwi and Canadians all happy in London together.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well the real reason I like all those places is because I'm near the River Lea. I went there at the weekend -Clapton, Hackney and spent time looking at the water and the wildlife and I felt really refreshed. The people in north London seem pretty similar to the people in the south though there seems to be a bigger mix in north London. Still lots of various problems in the areas - prostitution creeping back into Seven sisters and Stamford Hill, Hackney and it's gun crime., the Turkish drug dealers, etc...

Yeah, the river is terrific, a lifesaver.

I'd agree that there's a bigger mix than in the bits of the South where I grew up; iirc, Haringey was rated the most ethnically mixed place in Europe.

 

[waverunner]

OK although I managed to derail my thread from post 3, back to it. How would you make London safer?

 

[LDR]

How would you make London safer?

By doing my bit by being friendly to people, talking to strangers, setting an example. That sort of thing.

 

[Pete the Greek]

Yuh. I said there was an expectation there that they would be continually begging forgiveness, and there is. The fact that you say that "the community is notably silent" just illustrates that (a) you don't pay any attention - if you actually look. there are shitloads of people saying "we don't want to be associated with nutcases", perfectly publicly, and that (b) you think that they should, bearing out my original point. Because otherwise why would you even bother mentioning the fact? Do Jews have to beg forgiveness for the actions of the Israeli government? Do white people have to beg forgiveness for white supremacists? When was the last time you apologised for the existence of people who claim your ethnic/racial/cultural/etc background as justification for being cunts? Come on, do it harder.

see your point, but I don't expect any grovelling from any ethnic group. Just a bit more effort from some people to blend in and get on with others. Sadly some cultures seem less averse or willing to make that break. It's not a race thing, it's a cultural thing. No need to get on your high horse and start insinuating I'm racist or Islamophobe or what not

Anyway, don't play fast and loose. You remember god damned well that time you made that remark, describing my post as "The most nauseating forelock tugging apologia" you have ever read on these boards.

You also said you'd never speak to me again as you were disgusted with me.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Oh dear. I don't think you've turned your sarcasm detector on today huh Fridge? I was making direct references to put downs you have hitherto used on me, except in the context of the argument.

I do not believe Muslims should feel obliged to apologise. But you're claim was that they are somehow being coerced into apologising, and it's not borne out in reality. Fact is, the community is notably silent on all matters pertaining to issues that exist within their circles. But I know your views on this and I can't be arsed with a row.

Anyway, this is about London, not the Lebanon. Who do you think I am?

Well, apart from PtG.

Are you a bit obsessed with the whole Islam and Britain debate these days, Fridge?

You've met no muslims, by your own admission (ref: your posts), yet you expect them to apologise to you for things they aren't responsible for.

I haven't heard one Greek apologise for the disgusting things that went on in the Greek church. Nor would I expect them to.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Yuh. I said there was an expectation there that they would be continually begging forgiveness, and there is. The fact that you say that "the community is notably silent" just illustrates that (a) you don't pay any attention - if you actually look. there are shitloads of people saying "we don't want to be associated with nutcases", perfectly publicly, and that (b) you think that they should, bearing out my original point. Because otherwise why would you even bother mentioning the fact? Do Jews have to beg forgiveness for the actions of the Israeli government? Do white people have to beg forgiveness for white supremacists? When was the last time you apologised for the existence of people who claim your ethnic/racial/cultural/etc background as justification for being cunts? Come on, do it harder.

Last sentence - well exactly.

 

[waverunner]

I don't even try and be nice anymore which is a shame. I put on my mean face so that people leave me alone. And its sort of worked though cos the kids that used to always be on my case are now nice to me cos I used to snarl at them and be all sorts of horrible back. We get along ok now. How silly.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

see your point, but I don't expect any grovelling from any ethnic group. Just a bit more effort from some people to blend in and get on with others. Sadly some cultures seem less averse or willing to make that break. It's not a race thing, it's a cultural thing. No need to get on your high horse and start insinuating I'm racist or Islamophobe or what not

Anyway, don't play fast and loose. You remember god damned well that time you made that remark, describing my post as "The most nauseating forelock tugging apologia" you have ever read on these boards.

You also said you'd never speak to me again as you were disgusted with me.

Oh, sorry. I suppose I may have changed my mind or something when confronted with bigoted evidence-free bollocks like "some cultures seem less averse or willing to make that break". Well, slap my wrist for being inconsistent.

 

[LDR]

Can I apologise for Pete the Greek as he's a member of the same on-line community as me.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

see your point, but I don't expect any grovelling from any ethnic group. Just a bit more effort from some people to blend in and get on with others. Sadly some cultures seem less averse or willing to make that break. It's not a race thing, it's a cultural thing. No need to get on your high horse and start insinuating I'm racist or Islamophobe or what not

So, about the Greeks blending in - or do they just congregate around Palmers Green and Arnos Grove and go to Greek school and listen to LGR and so on.

Oh, and the mothers in law - never learn English. Cunts!








Well exactly. Is your irony meter on (same as all me 'anti' greek posts) - it's usually that you call 'rascist' with no irony to the spelling at all.

 

[boohoo]

I don't even try and be nice anymore which is a shame. I put on my mean face so that people leave me alone.

I been doing my 'don't come near me' look since I was about 14. And , touch wood, I haven't had any real trouble - only stoopid men trying to chat me up...

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Oh, sorry. I suppose I may have changed my mind or something when confronted with bigoted evidence-free bollocks like "some cultures seem less averse or willing to make that break". Well, slap my wrist for being inconsistent.

Exactly.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Can I apologise for Pete the Greek as he's a member of the same on-line community as me.

 

[waverunner]

What would happen if all the guns in the world were got rid of and no more were made?

 

[boohoo]

What would happen if all the guns in the world were got rid of and no more were made?

people would stab each other or beat each other with baseball bats or do other horrific things to each other.

 

[LDR]

People would still kill each other except not as quickly.

 

[waverunner]

ok how about if all kids were made to go to the army for 6 months, and put in groups where to survive they would have to rely on each other. Would they learn respect?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

ok how about if all kids were made to go to the army for 6 months, and put in groups where to survive they would have to rely on each other. Would they learn respect?

No, they'd just learn to be in gangs when they got out. And to shoot guns properly.

 

[boohoo]

ok how about if all kids were made to go to the army for 6 months, and put in groups where to survive they would have to rely on each other. Would they learn respect?

They'd probably learn not to take things for granted a bit. Still wouldn't stop some of them killing each other. Some people are just inclined to violence.

 

[LDR]

Nah! They would form alliances and cliques and fight against the other groups.

 

[waverunner]

Ok... how about moving all the troublesome kids to a BOILING HOT country where they are so unused to the heat that they can't move and so they stop killing each other?

 

[Groucho]

Up above my head I hear music in the air, up above my head I see trouble in the air...

 

[Monkeynuts]

Ok... how about moving all the troublesome kids to a BOILING HOT country where they are so unused to the heat that they can't move and so they stop killing each other?

Works a treat in Iraq doesn't it

 

[Pete the Greek]

Works a treat in Iraq doesn't it

Probably not in their winters when it gets quite cold.



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