What is happening to London?

[Monkeynuts]

The guys we are talking about don't really have a useful "skill level" though, because they are the ones who didn't bother with school or qualifications because they were too busy strutting around looking "hard" and generally being c*nts to everyone around them. I could imagine them lasting a day or two in a job, cos the first time someone told them to do something properly, they would hit him, or threaten to kill him, or something.

Giles..

Well, quite - but it is hard to blame children - which is what they are, under 18, or even 14 really by the time the attitudes you are talking of have formed - for their lack of self-development, in the absence of any framework or encouragement - familial / cultural / whatever.

We don't just "trust kids to turn out OK" and leave them to it - not our own and nor is it what happened to most of us - so we shouldn't be surprised that when they are left to it, many of them don't.

 

[zoltan]

The guys we are talking about don't really have a useful "skill level" though, because they are the ones who didn't bother with school or qualifications because they were too busy strutting around looking "hard" and generally being c*nts to everyone around them. I could imagine them lasting a day or two in a job, cos the first time someone told them to do something properly, they would hit him, or threaten to kill him, or something.

Giles..

Its called Survival I think - and the theft of a childhood

 

[Streathamite]

The guys we are talking about don't really have a useful "skill level" though, because they are the ones who didn't bother with school or qualifications because they were too busy strutting around looking "hard" and generally being c*nts to everyone around them. I could imagine them lasting a day or two in a job, cos the first time someone told them to do something properly, they would hit him, or threaten to kill him, or something.

Giles..

Giles, are you even remotely aware of the appalling standards of inner London schools? It's not just 'not wanting to learn' - it's more often not being allowed to by the system'

 

[Giles]

Giles, are you even remotely aware of the appalling standards of inner London schools? It's not just 'not wanting to learn' - it's more often not being allowed to by the system'

I am aware of this. Its because once you have more than a certain percentage of kids in a class who just don't want to learn, and who won't do a thing that they are told to do, teaching becomes pretty much impossible.

What can you do?

Giles..

 

[Streathamite]

I am aware of this. Its because once you have more than a certain percentage of kids in a class who just don't want to learn, and who won't do a thing that they are told to do, teaching becomes pretty much impossible.

What can you do?

Giles..

no it is NOT! it is because there's never enough resources to go round, no teacher wants to work there when they can have it eeasy in the home counties, and there's a built in culture of failure.
as you would know if you didn't inhabit some smug home counties tory fantasyland

 

[Giles]

no it is NOT! it is because there's never enough resources to go round, no teacher wants to work there when they can have it eeasy in the home counties, and there's a built in culture of failure.
as you would know if you didn't inhabit some smug home counties tory fantasyland

Why don't teachers want to teach there? Perhaps because the kids are so f***ing disruptive and out-of-control that its a nightmare for them?

Giles..

 

[Cloo]

It must be said, I've certainly read about deprived areas where extensive summer activity schemes were run for 'da yoof' saw a massive drop in crime that continued for some time after. Trouble is, there's just not the money for that sort of intervention everywhere that needs it.

 

[Streathamite]

Why don't teachers want to teach there? Perhaps because the kids are so f***ing disruptive and out-of-control that its a nightmare for them?

Giles..

no it isn't and you REALLY haven't a f-ing clue, you smug bourgeois tory twunt. It is the combination of a culture of low expectation, lack of resources, political footballing, and because embattled w/c areas tend to produce tough, resentful kids.
Have you EVER spent so much as a day of your life in an inner city area?

 

[Cowley]

Why don't teachers want to teach there? Perhaps because the kids are so f***ing disruptive and out-of-control that its a nightmare for them?

Giles..

What a pathetic post. Do you have any idea what it is like to live and be brought up in a deprived area?

You really haven't got a fuckin clue have you?

 

[Cowley]

Precisely.

I think there are probably pretty much as many opportunities for youths in inner city areas to do things than in any other place and, due to the ease of being able to access all of London and everything it has got, arguably shedloads more.

But what there isn't is the resourcing of the human support networks needed to replace the parenting which is present in greater amounts in other areas.

It's easy to access facilities when you have money in your pocket but when you've been brought up by a single parent or a low income family....swanning around Town using the facilities isn't the easiest thing to do is it?

 

[Giles]

What a pathetic post. Do you have any idea what it is like to live and be brought up in a deprived area?

You really haven't got a fuckin clue have you?

Is that not true then? I have mates who work as teachers and they have told me horror stories about some schools where there is effectively no discipline and trhey just waste lesson after lesson in "crowd control" rather than any worthwhile teaching.....

Giles..

 

[Cowley]

Is that not true then? I have mates who work as teachers and they have told me horror stories about some schools where there is effectively no discipline and trhey just waste lesson after lesson in "crowd control" rather than any worthwhile teaching.....

Giles..

Gimme a break. It's not about truth...it's about stereo typing a class or group of people from a particular area. That's what you have done off the back of "well my mates work in a particular said school so it must be true"

I went to school in Stockwell at Stockwell Park School...it really wasn't a very good school then and still isn't now......so I hear....but not all of us were running riot.

P.S. Is it not the teachers job collectively to keep discipline?

 

[Cowley]

Is that not true then? I have mates who work as teachers and they have told me horror stories about some schools where there is effectively no discipline and trhey just waste lesson after lesson in "crowd control" rather than any worthwhile teaching.....

Giles..

Gimme a break. It's not about truth...it's about stereo typing a class or group of people from a particular area. That's what you have done off the back of "well my mates work in a particular said school so it must be true"

I went to school in Stockwell at Stockwell Park School...it really wasn't a very good school then and still isn't now......so I hear....but not all of us were running riot.

P.S. Is it not the teachers job collectively to keep discipline?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Is that not true then? I have mates who work as teachers and they have told me horror stories about some schools where there is effectively no discipline and trhey just waste lesson after lesson in "crowd control" rather than any worthwhile teaching.....

Giles..

I know 4 differnt teachers that work in 4 different deprived schools and they say the same thing.

 

[nino_savatte]

Fact: discipline is worse in FE colleges than in schools. Why? Because FE Colleges work on the "bums on seats" principle and so are reluctant to exclude anyone, regardless of how disruptive or violent they are. FE Colleges are also dumping grounds for delinquent 14 year olds who have been excluded from school.

 

[detective-boy]

I went to school in Stockwell at Stockwell Park School...

So did a very senior police officer ....