What is distinctively Welsh about Wales in the 21st Century?

[RubberBuccaneer]

Well I'm not qualified to comment on Brazilian football. I thought they played the same Association game as most yahoos. And yes something seems to have gone awry in that last sentence of my last. My apologies for a lack of clarity.

But I disagree that it is in the details that we are defined. Surely it is in those aspects of us that are universal that best define what and who we are? If so then i would suggest that a study of Welsh history reveals that Welsh society has changed according to patterns that are if not unversal at least widespread. The same is true of all peoples and all nations.

Certainly it is the details that separate one group from another. But it is the achievement or failure to achieve goals of world historic importance that is universal among all the peoples and nations. In which case however different in detail Welsh history has more in common with say Bohemia than it has differences of detail. Just as England has more in common with say France than it does differences.

This is not to say that the differences are of no importance as clearly they are of massive importance (to some more than others) in forming our personal and national identities. But it is to that which is universal that we must look if we wish to avoid the catastrophe that faces man.

Our love of language

 

[fanta]

Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person, one thing that definitely seems to be a common characteristic of Welsh culture is an atavistic antipathy towards people simply because they are English.

Too often, if a person is guilty of the horrid crime of being born English, then it is automatically assumed among many Welsh people, that said person is an evil murderous bastard by virtue of the mere fact that s/he is English.

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

 

[Gentleman Taff]

Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person, one thing that definitely seems to be a common characteristic of Welsh culture is an atavistic antipathy towards people simply because they are English.

Too often, if a person is guilty of the horrid crime of being born English, then it is automatically assumed among many Welsh people, that said person is an evil murderous bastard by virtue of the mere fact that s/he is English.

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

But we were talking about things that were distinctively Welsh!

 

[bendeus]

Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person, one thing that definitely seems to be a common characteristic of Welsh culture is an atavistic antipathy towards people simply because they are English.

Too often, if a person is guilty of the horrid crime of being born English, then it is automatically assumed among many Welsh people, that said person is an evil murderous bastard by virtue of the mere fact that s/he is English.

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

Cunt

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person, one thing that definitely seems to be a common characteristic of Welsh culture is an atavistic antipathy towards people simply because they are English.

Too often, if a person is guilty of the horrid crime of being born English, then it is automatically assumed among many Welsh people, that said person is an evil murderous bastard by virtue of the mere fact that s/he is English.

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

You know thats the funniest thing Ive heard in a long time.
I think actually you'll find that the anti englishness thing is very much something that exists only in english peoples heads.
Ive spoken to hoardes of footy fans who have visited for the first time to come to the millenuim stadium and who say theyve never been but like you decided that we all hated english people and were intending to have a quiet pint, speak only in an emergency and keep their heads down. Instead they got a welcome like no other and had the time of their lives partying and now cant see the point in building a new wembley.
Ive heard it over and over... Its a complete falacy and frankly laughable

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person, one thing that definitely seems to be a common characteristic of Welsh culture is an atavistic antipathy towards people simply because they are English.

Too often, if a person is guilty of the horrid crime of being born English, then it is automatically assumed among many Welsh people, that said person is an evil murderous bastard by virtue of the mere fact that s/he is English.

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

Fuck Off Raffles

 

[neprimerimye]

Is man also the universal catastrophe that faces woman?

No class was the universal catastrophe that faced woman.

That is to say that if one accepts the materialist view of history the defeat of woman was a part of the development of the first class societies.

It logically follows that the social revolution cannot but be the liberation of woman.

In any case the manner in which I employed the word man was gender neutral.

 

[Col_Buendia]

<snip>In any case the manner in which I employed the word man was gender neutral.

So you have an emasculated view of history, then?

 

[neprimerimye]

So you have an emasculated view of history, then?

No a materialist view.

It is anarchism which has a view of history which is emasculated in that it is unrelated to the future. But anarchism ever was sterile.

 

[editor]

This seething, paranoid bigotry and perhaps lack of self confidence, is at it's worst and ugliest when manifested in exaltation of Welsh nationalism; which far far far too often, is merely a pseudonym for rabid anti-Englishness.

So how long have you hated the Welsh for?

 

[fanta]

So how long have you hated the Welsh for?

I don't hate the Welsh. The few that I've met have been fine people.

I do love to puncture the smug complacency of idiotic prejudice and bigotry though, especially when it is dressed up as 'nationalism'

 

[bendeus]

And overbloated, self-satisfied troll of the year goes to............

 

[editor]

I do love to puncture the smug complacency of idiotic prejudice and bigotry though, especially when it is dressed up as 'nationalism'

Like you own idiotic anti-Welsh prejudice and bigotry, you mean?

 

[fanta]

You know thats the funniest thing Ive heard in a long time.
I think actually you'll find that the anti englishness thing is very much something that exists only in english peoples heads.
Ive spoken to hoardes of footy fans who have visited for the first time to come to the millenuim stadium and who say theyve never been but like you decided that we all hated english people and were intending to have a quiet pint, speak only in an emergency and keep their heads down. Instead they got a welcome like no other and had the time of their lives partying and now cant see the point in building a new wembley.
Ive heard it over and over... Its a complete falacy and frankly laughable

Actually, I think you'll find that the anti-Englishness thing far too often plays ja part in Welsh nationalism.

It is reaasuring to note that you have spoken to hoardes of footy fans and their experiences.

It would also ne reassuring if you made the effort to note that I started my first post on this thread with the words: Though obviously not applicable to every Welsh person

So, you see, I am not like any footy fans who have decided that all Welsh people hate all English people.

 

[bendeus]

No, Ed.

He's doing us heathen a favour by bringing his enlightened views on us benighted, ignorant and hate-filled savages to our 'numble forum, and by doing so is ensuring that his quest to purge all Welsh posters of 'irrational' anti-Englishness is nobly advanced.

 

[fanta]

Like you own idiotic anti-Welsh prejudice and bigotry, you mean?

I'm no nationalist and I'd appreciate it if you gave a few examples of my anti-Welsh prejudice and bigotry?

That is something you can accuse me off if you must, but you will never be able to prove it or give examples of it.

 

[fanta]

Cunt

This illogical prejudice is explained by mainly historical reasons; mostly to do with people and events that happened many hundreds of years ago, far removed from the living memory of both the hater and the hated.

But that fact does nothing to quell the hatred, and perhaps feeling of resentful inferiority, many Welsh people feel when they compare themselves to their English neighbours. On the contrary, the sheer illogicality of it seems to compound the bad feeling.

 

[bendeus]

Your insistence on turning up to threads that have fuck all to do with you and your 'interests' and winding up the - ahem- Welsh posters therein is no proof at all, of course.

 

[editor]

I'm no nationalist and I'd appreciate it if you gave a few examples of my anti-Welsh prejudice and bigotry?

Your negative outbursts on this thread fit the description pefectly.

I can almost feel the anti-Welsh hatred in your posts. Why else are you posting here?

 

[fanta]

Your insistence on turning up to threads that have fuck all to do with you and your 'interests' and winding up the - ahem- Welsh posters therein is no proof at all, of course.

I'm just arguing that anti-Englishness is a part (too much, I think) of Welsh nationalism in the 21st Century.

Maybe you will be clever enough to respond with 'cunt', yet again with feeling.

 

[bendeus]

No, cunty. I just resent you.

 

[bendeus]

Hope that helped

 

[fanta]

Your negative outbursts on this thread fit the description pefectly.

I can almost feel the anti-Welsh hatred in your posts. Why else are you posting here?

Ah, you can't find any concrete proof of my bigotry - but wait!

You can almost feel the evidence.

Why am I posting here? Because I'm makeing an argument about anti-Englishness and it's contribution to Welsh nationalism. That's why.

 

[bendeus]

Where's your little mate, BTW?

The proof of your bigotry is evident in your endurance on this particular forum, in the fact that your posts are inflammatory and that every contribution you make seems to aggravate posters, which you then rejoin with self-satisfied bile relating to 'puncturing our little nationalist bubbles' or some such. Face facts ya cunt

 

[mwgdrwg]

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

 

[bendeus]

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

sorry

 

[editor]

Ah, you can't find any concrete proof of my bigotry - but wait!

Get an adult to explain my words to you if you're not capable of comprehending their meaning.

 

[fanta]

Get an adult to explain my words to you if you're not capable of comprehending their meaning.

There is no need to be rude.

You prefer to accuse me of bigotry rather than address what I have to say about anti-Englishness and Welsh nationalism.

And then when I ask you to provide examples you are unable to.

I comprehend perfectly what you're about.

 

[editor]

There is no need to be rude.
.

This coming from the hypocrite who's been hurling anti-Welsh abuse all over the thread!

Priceless!

 

[ddraig]

There is no need to be rude.

You prefer to accuse me of bigotry rather than address what I have to say about anti-Englishness and Welsh nationalism.

And then when I ask you to provide examples you are unable to.

I comprehend perfectly what you're about.

raaaaaaa
oi fanta, reckon you're getting away with it
if i was ed you'd have been out ages ago and esp now

and yes 'it is because i is Welsh' and you've come in here spreading shit a fair few times iirc, and i tend to not pay much attention to the likes of you

another interesting contemplative thread in the Welsh forum destroyed by your twisted self!, i've been mulling my response to the op for a few days, is there any point now?