What is distinctively Welsh about Wales in the 21st Century?
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neprimerimye
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Karac said:
If Rugby is unique to Wales how come it's named after an English public school?
editor said:
How long will it take for him to get the message?
neprimerimye
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editor said:
Nope Ernie hates my guts.
If he is who I think he is then he's not Welsh either.
neprimerimye
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Brockway said:
A sad fantasist whose posts were of an ultra-Stalinist persuasion. He only inspired paranoia among guilty liberals so don't be concerned.
neprimerimye
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Karac said:
Brockway is not a Stalinist or do you have evidence to back up this disgusting slur on her/him?
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
apart from me 
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
can we change his tag to 'shit troll'??? 
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
More of an orthodox trotskyist. Ex-Militant i think.Karac said:
Anyhoo back to the subject. I reckon one distinct aspect to Wales (at least in my experience) is a broader appreciation of performing arts. Not so sneered at to get up on stage for a bit of a song and dance. I remember some macho lads from Maestag showing me their school musical production on video and they were obviously proud of it (the singing stereotype of welshness i suppose). No laddish types where i come from would have done that - lets just say certain aspersions would have been cast on anybody who did.
Perhaps it's just a Maestag thing.
neprimerimye
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jannerboyuk said:
Not an orthodox anything and certainly not ex-RSL.
But back to the thread no one has yet come up with anything that is distinctively Welsh in the 21st century ce.
Could it be there is not a single thing that is distinctively Welsh in the 21st century? The language excepted of course.
Col_Buendia
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[beard-stroking mode] Trouble is the question ignores history, which is presumably what makes each of us unique in terms of our identity... anything that is "distinctively Welsh" is surely something that is the result of a passage of time, and thus asking about Welsh-ness in 21st Century means you've got a 5yr window (so far) to come up with an answer... Charlotte Church and the Grand Slam hence spring to my mind.
Not that that is necessarily a problem, but I would imagine if you asked people "What does it mean to you to be Welsh", answers would (imo) reflect some sense of difference... difference perhaps in linguistic terms, in geographical terms, in terms of historical experiences, etc etc. Those factors only start to make an appearance when you allow history to be considered, don't they?
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Not that that is necessarily a problem, but I would imagine if you asked people "What does it mean to you to be Welsh", answers would (imo) reflect some sense of difference... difference perhaps in linguistic terms, in geographical terms, in terms of historical experiences, etc etc. Those factors only start to make an appearance when you allow history to be considered, don't they?
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neprimerimye
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Col_Buendia said:
Ahhh, the irritating Ms Church and some bizarre sports tournament, as the historically unique attributes of 21st century Wales! I do hope things improve in the next 95 years.
But if we are to factor in history then we are dramatically changing the terms of this exchange. And history means so many different things does it not? To some it will be the history of a Welsh nation that will matter while others will focus on the conflicts between the classes in Wales.
The record of events in each version of history one selects will differ in detail from other countries but the closer we approach the modern era the more striking are the smilarities. No Welsh history is then in the world historic sense unique to Wales.
Applying your odd logic to the rest of the world, then no country on earth has a unique history. I would have thought it's precisely in the detail that we are defined, especially in an increasingly homogenized world culture.
Using your argument (and the tautology in your last sentence) there is for example nothing uniquely Brazilian about Brazilian football. And we know that's bollocks.
Using your argument (and the tautology in your last sentence) there is for example nothing uniquely Brazilian about Brazilian football. And we know that's bollocks.
neprimerimye
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Brockway said:Applying your odd logic to the rest of the world, then no country on earth has a unique history. I would have thought it's precisely in the detail that we are defined, especially in an increasingly homogenized world culture.
Using your argument (and the tautology in your last sentence) there is for example nothing uniquely Brazilian about Brazilian football. And we know that's bollocks.
Well I'm not qualified to comment on Brazilian football. I thought they played the same Association game as most yahoos. And yes something seems to have gone awry in that last sentence of my last. My apologies for a lack of clarity.
But I disagree that it is in the details that we are defined. Surely it is in those aspects of us that are universal that best define what and who we are? If so then i would suggest that a study of Welsh history reveals that Welsh society has changed according to patterns that are if not unversal at least widespread. The same is true of all peoples and all nations.
Certainly it is the details that separate one group from another. But it is the achievement or failure to achieve goals of world historic importance that is universal among all the peoples and nations. In which case however different in detail Welsh history has more in common with say Bohemia than it has differences of detail. Just as England has more in common with say France than it does differences.
This is not to say that the differences are of no importance as clearly they are of massive importance (to some more than others) in forming our personal and national identities. But it is to that which is universal that we must look if we wish to avoid the catastrophe that faces man.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
First place in the world to employ more people in industry than in agriculture.
At one time, the power station of the developed world.
The way Wales' scenery and natural beauty can compete with any other place in the world.
The way people from Wales have exelled at arts, since medieval times when Welsh poetry was the best in Europe, to modern times when (certain areas of) Welsh music is the best in Europe.
The way everything we do and achieve is at odds with our tiny population.
The fact that after all these years we're still here.
: )
At one time, the power station of the developed world.
The way Wales' scenery and natural beauty can compete with any other place in the world.
The way people from Wales have exelled at arts, since medieval times when Welsh poetry was the best in Europe, to modern times when (certain areas of) Welsh music is the best in Europe.
The way everything we do and achieve is at odds with our tiny population.
The fact that after all these years we're still here.
: )
Col_Buendia
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neprimerimye said:
Is man also the universal catastrophe that faces woman?
