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What is better UFC or Boxing?

:D I always love this one. Gives the impression of a Health and Safety Officer going round with clipboard and biro. Always manages to ensure that when you are upended and piledrived on your head by a 20 stone bloke, that its done in a healthy and safe way. :D

it will at least ensure that you're also 20 stones and that he stops when you've had enough
 
I looked it up on YouTube and found one of the most despicable, cowardly, gutless things I've ever seen: . That would be beneath the honour of two pissheads having a punch-up on Holloway Road on a Saturday night, but apparently it's de rigeur in UFC.


Yay - I finally find a reason to use this for the first time:

:facepalm:
 
Henderson was a bit of a twat for doing that, especially the way he talked about it after the fight. A bit hard to blame the ref for that one as he got there as soon as he could.
 
Why? Am I supposed to think that there's something acceptable about punching a man in the face when he's already lying passed out on the floor?
In the 1984 European Judo Championships and English guy choked and killed another competitor, they managed to bring him back after a few minutes luckily. It's up to the ref to protect people.

A fighter will not stop until he's told to or the bell rings. Fair enough it looks like utter thuggery, to a point it is, but that attack is the one he's been trained to use going down against someone at that angle under that circumstance. If the other guy can't defend himself the attacker isn't going to know that straight away....they've been fighting.
 
Prefer boxing though....I'm a martial artist but I don't see anything that appeals to me in this cage fighting stuff.
 
I think 'better' is a silly topic. I like watching both.

In MMA I particularly enjoy watching potato-headed Russian judoka Fedor.

e.g. want to see a Hagler-like 'pressure' fighter in action MMA style?

For those not totally conversant with the tactics, Fedor's opponent here is an extremely skilled and tough Brazilian Ju-Jitsu exponent who is most at home fighting a defensive fight from the 'guard' position, controlling his opponent with his legs and constantly looking for armlocks and so on.

The obvious thing for Fedor to do would be to refuse to fight in that position and keep getting back on his feet to fight stand-up. Instead he goes right into his opponent's home territory and just keeps incessant pressure on him.







nice post
i enjoyed that
 
Prefer boxing though....I'm a martial artist but I don't see anything that appeals to me in this cage fighting stuff.

There is a lot of angles a martial artist could appreciate, the isolation and combination of the 3 areas (striking, clinch & grapple) and how well individual martial arts like Judo, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Boxing, kyokushin, Brazillian Ju Jitsu and even San Da are combined and projected in an effective way.
 
Why? Am I supposed to think that there's something acceptable about punching a man in the face when he's already lying passed out on the floor?

you make a very good point

that's the single thing that has always jarred with me, and i'm a huge fan of mma

a true martial artist might have pulled that last blow as he realised it wasn't necessary, indeed henderson might have against another fighter (although he specialises in that move, but it it does ensure a knockdown becomes a knockout). but there was bad blood between the two, soured over the preceding series where they'd coached opposing teams on tuf reality show

i think it's one of the relics of the sport from the days when it was more brawl than art. as the audience becomes more educated they appreciate a higher level of sportmanship; nate marquois was highly lauded for exactly that in his most recent bout, and it's noticeable how the audience attitude and response to, say a fighter being ground 'n'pounded (that used to get the biggest cheer) to a fighter reversing his position by sweeping his opponent (now that gets the best response) to see that the audience is becoming more educated

but the spectacle of an unconscious person getting lamped is unpleasant, and requires a refinement in the rules.

it's a bit of a tricky one to achieve though. the essence of mma is the combination of striking and grappling, and since most grappling happens on the ground the fight can't be stopped every time a fighter falls, as in boxing. the follow up punch also comes so quickly after the knockdown it's essentially part of the same combination and the fighter will just be following muscle memory, and is often too quick for the ref to intervene

and the striking keeps the grapplers honest on the ground, means that the striker still has a chance when down on the mat. grappler v striker used to be the mainstay of the ufc, and the guy lying on his back often wants to be there as he's hoping to catch an arm and break it
 
I think the Henderson/Bisping incident is not that common in MMA though, it it normal to continue to attack after putting someone on the ground, but there was so much animosity between those two I think Henderson wanted to add insult to injury.
 
There is a lot of angles a martial artist could appreciate, the isolation and combination of the 3 areas (striking, clinch & grapple) and how well individual martial arts like Judo, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Boxing, kyokushin, Brazillian Ju Jitsu and even San Da are combined and projected in an effective way.

and it's become the crucible where those pure martial arts could finally be tested against one another. seeing how different schools hold sway at different ranges is also fascinating. to me boxing is confirmed as a pre-eminent martial art in the light of mma, rather than losing any appeal. this will do more than boxercise to keep the sweet science alive, imho

some fists seem to have done poorly (sumo, kung fu) but then you get a pure martial artist like chung le or lyoto machida who challenges that.
i think in the beginning the pure styles were defeated by wrestling, now they're all learning to defend the takedown and you're beginning to see the really pure stuff come through on the back of that. it's a really exciting time to be watching the sport, and i believe will become more like martial arts and less like sport fighting in future.

guys like randy couture, forest griffin and rich franklin were able to dominate in the past by training and hard work, by being bigger at the weight and fitter than the opponent. they developed and followed punishing training rituals that took them a level up from the opposition. and, for a while, it looked as though this was the future

then along came anderson silva, and showed that inspiration beats perspiration
 
Why? Am I supposed to think that there's something acceptable about punching a man in the face when he's already lying passed out on the floor?

1) Heat of the moment/adrenaline/finish the fight attitude does mean that this can happen on occasion.
2) Ref perhaps maybe have stepped in quicker, but it was fast...
3) Perhaps Henderson could have pulled it - I saw an almost identical occurrence in the previous UFC where the victor was inches away from landing a similar punch, clocked the guy was out, and pulled it successfully.
4) Have you ever consider writing for the Daily Mail - the gushing, hysterical prose in your op seems to suit it...

:)
 
I personally like UFC. I think its much more skillful and entertaining. What do you think?


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Has UFC changed? I haven't watched it in quite a while. When I did, it was two guys circling in the ring, then one guy dove in, got the other guy on the ground, and then it became like an Olympic wrestling match, but with less action. When one guy got the other to a position where he could repeatedly punch the guy underneath in the head, the match was over.

I'm sure there's skill involved in getting the other guy on the ground, then punching him, but it's a skill that my untrained eye is unable to discern.
 
yes the ufc is changing. what you've described is action from the 'second age' of mma, and we're just entering the third

stage 1- tough guy street brawls

stage 2- wrestling in ascendency, ground'n'pound pre-eminent

stage 3- true martial artists on top, able to reverse on the ground and knock you out standing

so it is greatly improving as a spectator sport, you will find
 
Has UFC changed? I haven't watched it in quite a while. When I did, it was two guys circling in the ring, then one guy dove in, got the other guy on the ground, and then it became like an Olympic wrestling match, but with less action. When one guy got the other to a position where he could repeatedly punch the guy underneath in the head, the match was over.

I'm sure there's skill involved in getting the other guy on the ground, then punching him, but it's a skill that my untrained eye is unable to discern.

this was ground'n'pound, the fighting style of the playground bully
 
Right i am going to give mma another good go i think.

What were some impressive cards? Preferably a UFC number blah blah as i know i can get hold of them fairly easily.

dave
 
boxing is blatantly the best.

here's me with my commonwealth games silver medal for it,

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Right i am going to give mma another good go i think.

What were some impressive cards? Preferably a UFC number blah blah as i know i can get hold of them fairly easily.

dave

one of the best ever bouts was the final of the first series of the ultimate fighter (tuf), between forest griffin and stephan bonner
it may have been called 'ultimate fight night' or something like that
 
Right i am going to give mma another good go i think.

What were some impressive cards? Preferably a UFC number blah blah as i know i can get hold of them fairly easily.

dave

All the recent ones (100 - 104) have been pretty good imo especially 101 Griffin v Silva and 102 Couture v Noguiera. UFC 92 was good too Silva v Rampage, Griffin v Evans.

And as there's no ufc on this weekend fans can watch arguably the worlds top mma fighter fighting in another promotion
Fedor v Rogers
 
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