What if the idea of God was proven?

[mk12]

Purely hypothetical this

If we found a scientific explanation for God...perhaps some extension on the current thinking on quantum physics...that proved that prayer etc worked because of some physics we havn't discovered yet....the power of the mind perhaps...if we could prove that the idea of God was real...would it still be God or just another tool of the mind such as logic, that we learn how to use?

What would be the impact on the human race, societies etc?

Forget about what's possible for now, this is purely a hypothetical question

"Prove" as in scientifically? I bet believers would love science if it proved this. Oh the irony.

 

[Aldebaran]

I didn't mean actual lizards.

OK. So you chose to name God lizard or orange man in the sky or no matter what instead of God. No problem if you like to do that.
What is the point?
(don't know David Icke)

salaam.

 

[Detroit City]

once God became "proven" then he/she/it would become totally irrelevant

 

[Aldebaran]

"Prove" as in scientifically? I bet believers would love science if it proved this. Oh the irony.

I always found find science and all it entails fascinating. Its fidnings underscores my thesis that God exists every day more and more.

salaam.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I always found find science and all it entails fascinating. Its fidnings underscores my thesis that God exists every day more and more.

salaam.

You show a misunderstanding of what science is. It is about provable tests, there is not proof for your god as apparently he exists outside of the material world.

 

[ohmyliver]

Purely hypothetical this

If we found a scientific explanation for God...perhaps some extension on the current thinking on quantum physics...that proved that prayer etc worked because of some physics we havn't discovered yet....the power of the mind perhaps...if we could prove that the idea of God was real...would it still be God or just another tool of the mind such as logic, that we learn how to use?

What would be the impact on the human race, societies etc?

Forget about what's possible for now, this is purely a hypothetical question

I think it would end up in an allmighty war, as the zealots of each way of worshiping god try to eradicate all those who they see as wrong.

 

[Aldebaran]

You show a misunderstanding of what science is. It is about provable tests, there is not proof for your god as apparently he exists outside of the material world.

No, you show a fundamental misunderstanding about what believing God exists entails and also a fundamental misunderstanding in what science is actually about.
There is for those who do not believe in God no other proof in science than what their belief in it dictates them to accept. Tomorrow someone else can overrule all of the currenly held opinions and conclusions. There is no end to it. That is what science is about, and it is fascinating how some people make that into their religion.

Every new discovery underscores the reality that the human mind although able to be curious and to research, is limited, imperfect and insecure about its understanding. That shall never change unless you want to state that science itself shall be completed and hence halted, having reached absolute knowledge and understanding of everything for eternity.
The moment you can point me to a human who reached that point, you have a point to make.

There is infinitely much more needed to reach a point where a human mind could get notion of what humans commonly call "God".

salaam.

 

[Spion]

OK. So you chose to name God lizard or orange man in the sky or no matter what instead of God. No problem if you like to do that.
What is the point?
(don't know David Icke)

The point is that there is no more proof of the existence of a god than for any of the other imaginings I cited.

 

[xes]

oh come on, giant lizard conspiracie theories and believing in god are hardly the same thing are they?

what's so different about it? Both require a faith in something which is pretty much improvable.

I will say this,with xtianity at least,alot of the charactures in the bible can be found in astronomy. With the same story near or less,going back to at least 6000 bc.

xtians are pagans


lolz.

 

[Spion]

Every new discovery underscores the reality that the human mind although able to be curious and to research, is limited, imperfect and insecure about its understanding. That shall never change unless you want to state that science itself shall be completed and hence halted, having reached absolute knowledge and understanding of everything for eternity.

Well, yeah, only a lunatic would suggest such a thing. What you describe is reality - infinite, constantly changing and unknowable. Why use something for which not a shred of evidence exists to substitute for that type of understanding?

 

[Aldebaran]

The point is that there is no more proof of the exist of a god than for any of the other imaginings I cited.

To me there is. I see proof where you can't reason but within a pre-defined frame set up and dictated by what you mistake for the rational, while it is in reality imprisoning your mind.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well, yeah, only a lunatic would suggest such a thing. What you describe is reality - infinite, constantly changing and unknowable. Why use something for which not a shred of evidence exists to substitute for that type of understanding?

What is reality other than what we make it to be? Your reality is not the same as mine. Mine is not the same as the reality of anyone else. We create and re-create our realities constantly.
Why use something that doesn't exist but for ourselves to create evidence that isn't even evidence, but proposition, and then argue it provides for proof that no God exists because he doesn't fit into that particular notion of reality (for you)?

salaam.

 

[Spion]

To me there is. I see proof where you can't reason but within a pre-defined frame set up and dictated by what you mistake for the rational, while it is in reality imprisoning your mind.

That sentence is rather unclear.

Are you saying you see proof that I can't see because my system of evidence is wrong?

OK then, translate your standard of evidence into language I would understand.

I find belief in god an unimaginative and meagre sop which pales beside a rich appreciation of the universe.

 

[Spion]

What is reality other than what we make it to be? .

Reality exists independently of what we appreciate it to be. It was here before us, it will be here after I expect, and even where we affect reality the sum of what we do has an independent existence to that which we want it to be.

Your reality is not the same as mine. Mine is not the same as the reality of anyone else. We create and re-create our realities constantly..

If I take that to mean, 'the reality I apprehend through my senses and mind is never the same as that of others', then I'd agree with you. I am concerned though that you seem to see reality as existing only in our heads when the vast bulk of it exists outside of us

Why use something that doesn't exist but for ourselves to create evidence that isn't even evidence, but proposition, and then argue it provides for proof that no God exists because he doesn't fit into that particular notion of reality (for you)?..

Here I think that you're saying, 'why, when I have asserted that our realities are different, do you use something you do not believe as some kind of exhibit against my reality?' You'd best tell me if that's what you mean before I answer it

 

[sleaterkinney]

Every new discovery underscores the reality that the human mind although able to be curious and to research, is limited, imperfect and insecure about its understanding. That shall never change unless you want to state that science itself shall be completed and hence halted, having reached absolute knowledge and understanding of everything for eternity.
The moment you can point me to a human who reached that point, you have a point to make.

Yes there will always be things that are unexplained, I never said otherwise, but why do you want to label them god?. Is it easier for you if you stick a label on it?

There is infinitely much more needed to reach a point where a human mind could get notion of what humans commonly call "God".

Yet you are certain it exists.

 

[smmudge]

I think it helps to consider the concept of 'God' (of which there are as many as there are people in the world).

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Purely hypothetical this

If we found a scientific explanation for God...perhaps some extension on the current thinking on quantum physics...that proved that prayer etc worked because of some physics we havn't discovered yet....the power of the mind perhaps...if we could prove that the idea of God was real...would it still be God or just another tool of the mind such as logic, that we learn how to use?

What would be the impact on the human race, societies etc?

Forget about what's possible for now, this is purely a hypothetical question

I'd start praying for stuff.

 

[Jonti]

You can never be sure, so I reckon it's prolly best to pray anyway.

But I'm having some trouble with the sums. I mean, how much effort should I put into praying, and how much should I exert myself to get things to work out for me?

 

[frogwoman]

to be honest, if g-d was proven to exist tomorrow, i reckon it would just carry on exactly as before with people killing each other and treating each other like shite. a large number of people wouldn't listen to anything he said, and it'd probably be that many of the people who claimed to be acting according to his will wouldn't really know g-d if he was standing there screaming at the cunts

the world isn't ready for that kind of knowledge, IMO ... it's actually up to people to improve the world, we can't assume that g-d will step in and save us, we have to do it ourselves and improve the world, otherwise what's the point of our existence

easier said than done though ...

not that he doesn't exist, but he will help those who help themselves and others IMO ...

 

[fattboy]

u cant prove the existence of Allah in that sense, not to the point of it not requiring faith, thats what the reward of paradise is for,

that doesnt mean there arent clear signs and proof tho, or that disbelievers arent going to hell.

 

[phildwyer]

The point is that there is no more proof of the existence of a god than for any of the other imaginings I cited.

You are a very ignorant person. Thousands of rational proofs for the existence of God have been advanced over three millennia. You have never read any of them. So what makes you imagine you are qualified to comment on the matter at all, let alone with such offensive flippancy?

 

[Yossarian]

Purely hypothetical this

If we found a scientific explanation for God...perhaps some extension on the current thinking on quantum physics...that proved that prayer etc worked because of some physics we havn't discovered yet....the power of the mind perhaps...if we could prove that the idea of God was real...would it still be God or just another tool of the mind such as logic, that we learn how to use?

What would be the impact on the human race, societies etc?

Forget about what's possible for now, this is purely a hypothetical question

If some actual proof was found that there was a big sky pixie/flying spaghetti monster/Great Green Arkleseizure out there, then the impact on human society would be completely devastating - it'd breathe extra life on all the old fights about who's got the right idea about how best to worship the sky pixie, and probably create some new ones.

 

[Spion]

that doesnt mean there arent clear signs and proof tho, or that disbelievers arent going to hell.

LOL

 

[Spion]

You are a very ignorant person. Thousands of rational proofs for the existence of God have been advanced over three millennia. You have never read any of them. So what makes you imagine you are qualified to comment on the matter at all, let alone with such offensive flippancy?

LOL Settle down, dear

Let's see some of these proofs then. On second thoughts, perhaps you'd best start a thread on it

 

[gorski]

Purely hypothetical this
If we found a scientific explanation for God...perhaps some extension on the current thinking on quantum physics...that proved that prayer etc worked because of some physics we havn't discovered yet....the power of the mind perhaps...if we could prove that the idea of God was real...would it still be God or just another tool of the mind such as logic, that we learn how to use?

What would be the impact on the human race, societies etc?

Forget about what's possible for now, this is purely a hypothetical question

The idea of God is proven.

It's just not "scientific" and it ain't an old omniscient guy with a long beard, sitting on a cloud somewhere; the prayers don't work but one's actions - on the other hand - do and it's all to do with the "mind", yes...

See Hegel for reference...

 

[Spion]

The idea of God is proven.

Yes, faulty thread title. We all know the idea exists. It's the existence of god that is at issue really

 

[gorski]

That depends on the idea.

As I said, read Hegel, m8... Many different ideas about! Some better, some worse...

 

[rover07]

Are we back on giving God a good kicking....

 

[Spion]

That depends on the idea.

As I said, read Hegel, m8... Many different ideas about! Some better, some worse...

most enlightening, 'm8'

 

[Spion]

Are we back on giving God a good kicking....

Naaah, he/she/it is refusing to show up