What housing shortage?
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The Black Hand
Unclean
that a front cover of SW?i must have missed that one! hey is this your's?
Durruti - didn't Class War do that cover around 20 years ago?
not that i am aware ..
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
that a front cover of SW?
Looks more like a picture of the sort of twats that make up most of the left now.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
no, that was when Crass War were running their 'inspired' 'East End for the Eastenders' campaign, clever boys and girl that they were.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Well who should the East End by for? Yuppies, developers and incoming middleclasses?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
pretty fucking dumb campaign to run when the BNP were all over the area with rather similar stickers. But Crass War were never the smartest cookies on the box
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Yeah the twat in the front looks like he's about to say. 'Hey theres nothing wrong with our dogma'
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Alf Stewart, aicm£5.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bear in mind that scale-wise, most modern developments are "small" compared to what got built from the mid-fifties to the mid-seventies, so the "predictability" may not have been as apparent as it should have been.
No they're not, what's to blame is the unfortunate fact that most of the people who mandate local planning have little or no understanding of the areas they're "gentrifying", or of the communities they're dismantling.
On top of that we have a national planning framework that appears to place the interests of business above local concerns.
Given the construction methods used on the small "gated community" down the road from me (I suspect kyser soze saw it being thrown up too and could confirm what I'm about to say), "slums" are exactly what they'll become, if they stay up long enough to do so.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Unfortunately any local community doesn't benefit much, only the developers and the "incomers".
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I disagree, I think they understand full well what they are doing. The introduction of nice middle-class people will, supposedly, lead to an increase in the money bring spent in the area (thus raising its general averages and having a small ‘trickle down’ effect), and will teach us how to behave nicely, and not in a loud, ‘anti-social’, manner. There aim is specifically to destroy working-class communities, not to ‘save them’
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
What's wrong with people behaving nicely and not in a loud antisocial manner? Working class people like peace and quiet too, even if some posh lefties think we should live the kind of lives portrayed recently in Dewsbury.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the fact that the whole notion is bollocks? The fact that we don't need middle-class people to teach us how to behave? The fact that such people suddenly find activities which most of us think are perfectly normal (eg kids playing footie on the street) to be examples of such 'anti-social' behaviour?
& what do you mean by the Dewsbury comment??!!
& what do you mean by the Dewsbury comment??!!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I agree. Try telling it to the hoards of braying middleclass britbrats who descend on Brixton in the evening to buy drugs.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
I'm surprised you don't know. It was in the news and everything.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You've missed my point.
I said "...most of the people who mandate local planning have little or no understanding of the areas they're "gentrifying", or of the communities they're dismantling", i.e. they have no knowledge or appreciation of working class communities.
Change that, for example by employing locals who do have that knowledge, and some of those communities might have a chance. All the while you're employing someone who exhibits the old prejudice that "nice people are people like me" then anyone outside that narrow orbit doesn't stand a chance.
whether it is right or wrong, this strategy does not work .. indeed by LABELLING people in this way explicitly or implicitly .. by excluding people, by breaking up communities, you are going to end up with fucked up communities .. sorry but i think it ios NOT a strategy to improve areas but as belboid says to break up w/c communities so they are no threat
who piss in all the flats doorways in hoxton after a night out in shoreditch .. who move in and out of communities and do NOTHING for those communities .. who don't bring money into teh area at all as they only shop at their trendy shops etc etc etc
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
no, no - I saw that, I just think that they understand what those communities are perfectly well. They just hate them - or are 'disappointed' by them at least
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
TBH I don't think that the majority of planners know enough or care enough to "hate". IMO the core problem is exactly that they don't know enough, so they make assumptions about development without having to account for the human angle.
you may be right re the planners etc .. BUT it is a fact ( where it is referneced i am not sure ) that it is new Labour Ploicy to break up w/c communities with mixed developments .. and i alledge that this is not to 'improev' peoples lives, but 1) that it is corruption related to building firms and the politicians and 2) that it is politically designed to disempower w/c communities
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