What have the Brits ever done for Ireland?

[Nigel Irritable]

Because they decided to call it a holocaust, that's why

Who decided to call it a holocaust? Some Irish-Americans wanting to play the more oppressed than thou game.

The Irish famine was a complex historical event, combining a multitude of factors natural and otherwise. The dependency of most of the Irish population on the potato was a result of British imperialism and the British state choose not to intervene in the famine to alleviate starvation, while plenty of our indigenous elite profiteered from the whole affair. There are plenty of people and institutions to blame for those events but I fail to see why I should "forgive" an undifferentiated English people for something nobody alive today can be blamed for.

 

[Red Faction]

what i still dont understand is the mentality at the time
not to get involved in the internal affairs of another country
yet this 'other country' is part of the union, and is in this position because of the union

it still leaves me miffed

but as you say nigel
another example
one of my mates granddads was a black 'n' tan
why should my mate apologise + why should i have to forgive him
for the actions of someone who is long dead and neither of us knew?

 

[Dilzybhoy]

It was the wooly liberal Victorians innit?

 

[Red Faction]

fucking mentalists the lot of em

 

[Dilzybhoy]

*looks up "mentalists"*


Aye!!! Bastards!!!

 

[Red Faction]

*looks up "mentalists"*
Aye!!! Bastards!!!

i looked it up too
doesnt mean what i thought it did
ah well... lets not tell anyone about my mistake...

thats how rumours get started right?

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Uhmm...





Aye!


Awright then!!!

 

[888]

You mean the difference between Victorian psychics and the Alan Partridge exclamation?

 

[Dilzybhoy]

So would that be a median?

 

[888]

A median between a medium and a loon.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

So like an upper medium/lowerloon.
Or a medium lower upper...

 

[nino_savatte]

Well St Patrick was an Englishman and he got rid of the snakes so he did.

And wasn't it Henry II of England who introduced Roman Catholicism and tugging your forelock to rich foriegners two pastimes that have occupied the Irish ever since.

The English can't be entirely blamed for Dublin and Limerick they were set up by the Vikings.

And don't forget the Scots. That Robert The Bruce was nice enough to invade and pillage the Pale which must have pleased everybody West of the Shannon.

St Patrick was a Welshman.

 

[oi2002]

St Patrick was a Welshman.

That's possible though West Briton would be more accurate. Sommerset is one probable birth place.

Now we've got started on the Famine I'd just like to crank up the hand wringing mopery a bit. Both of Henry II main henchmen Strongbow and De Lacy were Welsh-Normans. God knows how many Welshmen have stood on the neck of poor Paddie for the price of a pastie.

According to this whining PDF those other French speaking Norman's the Bruce brothers turned out to be no better than their Norman cousins from England and Wales.

Europe, suffered from dreadful famine during 1317 and the Scots,
rather than winning over the Irish, abused their power and took
animals, crops and money from them.

I sense a pattern here. It seems nearly everyone who's set foot in Ireland hasn't been able to resist the urge to duff up the locals.

This tempered the Irish into a saintly pacific people who could do no harm to anyone. All those with a O' on their name eagerly slaughtering any native people they came across were surely Protestants.

Ireland did not properly revenge itself on the world until the invention of the Riverdance and Gaolic slurred from autocue by Belfast folk.

 

[revol68]

LOL gaelic in a belfast accent is one of the worse crimes committed in ireland since Olivier Cromwell came for a wee bus mans holiday.

Calling the famine a holocaust is fucking ridiculous, it was a complex series of events some outside human control. To compare it with the deliberate rounding up and gassing of 6 million jews is disgusting.

I would have no problem calling the famine an economic genocide, being born from land distribution, free market dogma and an oppurtunist british government which saw in it a means at economic shock therapy.

The idea that anyone living today can or should apologise is the fucking high of identity politics bollox. Should we hunt down the relatives of irish export farmers who let their fellow irish starve? Or should we just expect an apology from the English (why no scots or welsh??) and will we demand an apology from those bastard imperialists in Brixton, Liverpool or Manchester?

 

[bugsy7]

I take it that's a "no", then.

 

[fanta]

Brits+Ireland=No joke.

Wannabe Irish nationalists+living in the thick of it in, er, Lanarkshire=big fucking joke!

 

[fanta]

I take it that's a "no", then.

I take it you haven't even got the wit to come up with an intelligent counter argument?

Nah, didn't think so!

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Just as I thought... the sinister hand of US identity politics... This isn't about any concern with what happened... it's for Americans so that they can feel 'irish" and "oppressed" just because their Great-aunt twice removed was Irish.

there is a scary side to that i knew an american girl whos father said she shouldn't talk to me because i was "english" and they were "irish" what a fucking nutter ... and what even funnyer is i'm more irish then they are!

 

[bugsy7]

I take it you haven't even got the wit to come up with an intelligent counter argument?

Nah, didn't think so!

Hmm. How tiresome. I'll tell you this, despite your obvious limitations. Alternatively, maybe you can get somebody to explain it to you.

Why a counter-argument? Everybody's banging on about apologising, but all I did was change the title of the thread slightly to "What England did TO Ireland". At no stage did I mention anything about apologies.
The point of including the thread was to give folks an opportunity to learn what really happened, instead of relying on all the revisionist Brit shite being spouted.

Hai capito, pazzo?
Haste verstanden, Dumpftrottel?

MsG

 

[fanta]

Just as I thought: clueless vacuous nonsense.

Really bogsy, boring planks like you are no big deal...

 

[bugsy7]

Just as I thought: clueless vacuous nonsense.

Really bogsy, boring planks like you are no big deal...

Y'know, looking through you're past postings, it's obvious that you're just a "reactive poster", chipping in with silly cheap shots and contributing nothing to threads. How pathetic and sad. Still, it that's the way you get your jollies....

MsG

 

[revol68]

So do i not geta reply about the nature of the famine?

And im sorry but really what teh fuck would you know about ireland?

Im soo fed up meeting "lefties" from abroad who wank on about the IRA.

Oh aren't murdering nationalists so much fun when they're far away.

 

[phildwyer]

there is a scary side to that i knew an american girl whos father said she shouldn't talk to me because i was "english" and they were "irish" what a fucking nutter ... and what even funnyer is i'm more irish then they are!

Even funnier is the fact that most "Irish-Americans" are actually the descendents of Ulster Scots.

 

[JTG]

Even funnier is the fact that most "Irish-Americans" are actually the descendents of Ulster Scots.

There's lots of this sort of weird pretend-Irish ultra nationalism in Australia as well. I think the real Irish find it quite amusing, as well as an opportunity to make lots of money out of ignorant tourists.

 

[oi2002]

there is a scary side to that i knew an american girl whos father said she shouldn't talk to me because i was "english" and they were "irish" what a fucking nutter ... and what even funnyer is i'm more irish then they are!

It's a typical Yank thing. A bullying imperialist nation populated by people who alternate between flag waving triumphalism and grasping for any shred of distant ethnic historical victimhood like it was hem of Christ robe.

 

[bugsy7]

]1[/B]. So do i not geta reply about the nature of the famine?

2. And im sorry but really what teh fuck would you know about ireland?

3. Im soo fed up meeting "lefties" from abroad who wank on about the IRA.

4. Oh aren't murdering nationalists so much fun when they're far away.

1. The link I posted will give you a lot of information.
2. Well, quite a lot really, since I was born in Dungarvan, Co. Waterford. And you?
3. So avoid them.
4. No more "fun" than murdering Loyalists or murdering soldiers.

MsG

 

[fanta]

So do i not geta reply about the nature of the famine?

And im sorry but really what teh fuck would you know about ireland?

Im soo fed up meeting "lefties" from abroad who wank on about the IRA.

Oh aren't murdering nationalists so much fun when they're far away.

Come on bogsy, don't get all coy...

 

[fanta]

1. The link I posted will give you a lot of information.

Ah, another non-answer.

 

[revol68]

Sorry Bugsy but I was born and continue to live in Northern Ireland, in a wee loyalist shithole called Larne.

I grew up in a mixed marriage but was raised catholic, I no bout know more about sectarianism than you can imagine.

And your correct murdering loyalists and troops aren't much fun either, but then again that hardly excuses republican violence, well unless your soem sort of ethical dwarf.

 

[bugsy7]

Sorry Bugsy but I was born and continue to live in Northern Ireland, in a wee loyalist shithole called Larne.

I grew up in a mixed marriage but was raised catholic, I no bout know more about sectarianism than you can imagine.

And your correct murdering loyalists and troops aren't much fun either, but then again that hardly excuses republican violence, well unless your soem sort of ethical dwarf.

We are essentially of the same frame of mind. I have no quarrel with you and wish you well, my friend.

MsG