What have New labour actually done right?
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taffboy gwyrdd
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What have new labour done right?
Scottish and Welsh devolution. Played important role in NI peace process. Minimum wage. Signed social chapter.
Now ask: What have new Labour done right since the first term?
or: What have new labour done right that was Blairs idea?
The list will be much shorter.
Scottish and Welsh devolution. Played important role in NI peace process. Minimum wage. Signed social chapter.
Now ask: What have new Labour done right since the first term?
or: What have new labour done right that was Blairs idea?
The list will be much shorter.
The minimum wage was hardly Blair's idea - it had been kicking around for decades.
However, Blair can take 'credit' for our role in the Afghan and Iraq war - and giving his blessing to the bombing of Lebanon. These things were his own idea, against the wishes of the people, and he should be held responsible in the courts for crimes against humanity, [IMO, of course]
However, Blair can take 'credit' for our role in the Afghan and Iraq war - and giving his blessing to the bombing of Lebanon. These things were his own idea, against the wishes of the people, and he should be held responsible in the courts for crimes against humanity, [IMO, of course]
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
tbaldwin said:
Hang on, you should despise doctors for being "educationally privileged". So the next time you're in A&E, you should tell them that and refuse any treatment they offer you.
ZAMB said:
An idea that has been kicking around...Oh OK i see that he shouldnt have any credit for that............according to his oh so original critics.......
And what are the critics answer to Afghanistan and Iraq.....To say War is nasty, erm really great stuff......very helpful........
nino_savatte said:Hang on, you should despise doctors for being "educationally privileged". So the next time you're in A&E, you should tell them that and refuse any treatment they offer you.
I dont despise anyone for being educationally privelleged. But as a Socialists i am against privelleges as a Tory your all for them.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
That's a lie. There are many posts on these boards where you have claimed just that.
If I am a Tory, what does that make you? A fascist? Of course it does.
Maggot said:
I don't really buy that.
This is a point really about the economy. Compared to the economic downturn of the early to mid-nineties there are supposedly slightly fewer people listed as being in a state of poverty. There has been a sustained period of very low economic growth since then. During this period economic divergence has increased - the rich have got much richer and the poor relatively poorer. There are still 100,000s of children in poverty, homelessness remains a huge problem, repossessions are increasing back towards the early 90s levels, personal debt is higher than ever, and now in real terms the rising cost of living outstrips wage increases for the first time since 1995.
This hasn't been a period of great boom, but of economic stability. The Govt. had the opportunity to use this period of economic stabilty to set in place safety nets for the recession when it comes, to offset the effects of the housing crises. This NL Govt has done the very opposite.
Brown claims credit, as Chancellor, for the sustained period of economic stabilty. And well he might, for that is what politicians do. 'You never had it so good' cried politicians during periods of economic expansion 'and it's all down to me!' Then comes the recession and it's the oil crisis (the arabs fault) or the unions holding back competiveness, or the workshy (or immigration).
Fact is the very economic measures that have held off recession in the US and consequently the UK are likely to render the impact of the recession harsher when it comes. Policies of New Labour in the UK, and of the Republicans in the US, have pretty much ensured that when the recession does hit the poorest will be hit big time, and there will be little to protect them. So any claims by NL of having helped people out of poverty should be taken with a pinch of salt. More to the point is that they have contributed to the conditions that will tip many 100,000s into poverty if (when really) the economy turns downwards.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
Turn it in, baldy. Do you really expect me to trawl all your posts to find examples of your feeble thinking? I have better things to do than to wank you off.
gosub
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Groucho, are you saying things will be worse in a recession for the poor because the government has done things like :
allow collection agencies to effectively break in to peoples houses when they are are not home;
or
because though they claim "no more boom and bust" repealing the economic cycle is not only unlikely, artificially extending the boom through with things like cheap credit, or over valuing loan securities (at the moment that's the fault of banks but there is the council tax reappraisal gestapo starting next year) make the bust when hits deeper, harder and longer e.g. Japan
The only trouble with this thread is don't think any UK political party has the where withall to do any better let alone sort things out.
allow collection agencies to effectively break in to peoples houses when they are are not home;
or
because though they claim "no more boom and bust" repealing the economic cycle is not only unlikely, artificially extending the boom through with things like cheap credit, or over valuing loan securities (at the moment that's the fault of banks but there is the council tax reappraisal gestapo starting next year) make the bust when hits deeper, harder and longer e.g. Japan
The only trouble with this thread is don't think any UK political party has the where withall to do any better let alone sort things out.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
No, it is wanking you off: you get a kick out of this sort of thing. You obviously don't understand the use of metaphor either. That shows how utterly thick you are. You'd call someone with a couple of A levels a "snob".
You're a troll and a serial thread disrupter. Desist at once.
nino_savatte said:
nino as usual you have nothing of any substance to say on this thread..Perhaps if you actually tried to stick to te subnect for once....As you obviously have some humiliation issues you need to deal with perhaps you could start a "Why tbaldwins really thick thread" and then do your thing on that..And leave other threads to people who actually got something to say on the subject?
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
Tosser.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
Aye, my one word is worth 50 of your meaningless words.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
No wonder you're demented!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
Says the person who has plenty of slogans but who starts in on the insults as soon as you ask him just how he'd put any of his ideas in place.
Fucking brilliant!!
Sure they've spent a lot of money on the NHS and Education but chucking money at problems does not make things better, unless it is spent wisely.
Judging by the current state of these sevices money alone is not the answer.
The "only" good thing they have done is hand over power to the Bank of England to control interest rates, unless of course you're a fox.
Judging by the current state of these sevices money alone is not the answer.
The "only" good thing they have done is hand over power to the Bank of England to control interest rates, unless of course you're a fox.
jusali said:
i can see why people think this is better / more rational than incompetent politicians deciding - but it also means that economic policy is basically reduced to controlling interest.
what if you want to use the main levers of economic power to get out of a downturn, to reduce unemployment, or to - horrors - reverse increasing inequality.
i know those are deeply unfashionable among the policitical elite and among economists - but they remain the kind of thing the rest of the population think they elected the wankers for...
(somewhere there's an exit survey that concluded that people voted for 'old labour' values in 1997, inspite of all the nu-crap Tone came out with. boy did they get a shock)
jusali said:unless of course you're a fox.
someone should do a fox-survey. my guess is they'll see very little shift in fox opinion on safety issues before and after the ban. it's why they're all moving into the city, innit.
jusali said:Sure they've spent a lot of money on the NHS and Education but chucking money at problems does not make things better, unless it is spent wisely.
Judging by the current state of these sevices money alone is not the answer.
The "only" good thing they have done is hand over power to the Bank of England to control interest rates, unless of course you're a fox.
jusali are you a tory...And would rather people spent their OWN oney etc or a Socialist who thinks they have wasted too much money on parasites?
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