What genres of music or bands out there you simply cant get your head around....

[sojourner]

The singing. Simple answer, but that's what it's all about.

No shit


Perhaps that's what makes me clamp my hands over my ears when I hear any

I try and see what people would like/love in it...but it just presses all the wrong buttons for me

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

and it's DEFINITELY Not a dance track

I was using the term 'dance' loosely to distinguish between rock act and dance act....

 

[Dubversion]

I was using the term 'dance' loosely to distinguish between rock act and dance act....

No, you were saying Manuva wasn't an R&B artist and he's nearer to being an R&B artist in the broader sense than he is a dance artist

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

No, you were saying Manuva wasn't an R&B artist and he's nearer to being an R&B artist in the broader sense than he is a dance artist

That does it. I really ahve to get some sleep. It's 4.30 am and mrs rd is going to batter me...

 

[Dubversion]

fair play - i'm only being this querulous (sp?) cos I've got man-flu and I'm stuck in on a Friday when i was supposed to be doing about 5 other things

 

[kained&able]

So name me anything any american rap outfit, whether backpacker or 'real', has done, which matches the sheer beauty of "Dreamin Days" which is one of the best tracks I have ever heard, in hip hop or any other genre.

Okay then. Try on the eve of war(the chilled version not the rowdy one with the classical music sample) by jedi mind tricks Where you gonna run by talib kweli. Jesus walks and all falls down by kanye west, starin through my rear view, i aint mad at cha by 2 pac, cross roads by bone thugs n harmony(as well as most of there stuff to be honest especilly e 1999 eternal and creeping on a come up albums) my life by pharoe monch and xzibit's paparzzi,

and uk wise son of niah by kalshnekof although a fair bit of his stuff has beautiful beats behind it as does his crew terra firma.

that'll do for now. Please note i'm a big fan of my piano beats and a hell of lot them will have em in there.


dave

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

fair play - i'm only being this querulous (sp?) cos I've got man-flu and I'm stuck in on a Friday when i was supposed to be doing about 5 other things

yeah it's freezing outside here, we were going to go out and go something, ended up staying in, as usual i said i'd just have a couple of beers, ended up staying up all night. right good night everyone...

 

[Dubversion]

g'night, fella

 

[Blagsta]

I quite like some Mary J Blige.

 

[stavros]

Can I add Kelis to the list of excellent RnB, and of course the mother of them all, Missy Elliott.

I think we can get too bogged down in categorisation. You dismiss a genre and I think you might well throw out something you could love. For example, I abhor Coldplay and all tghey stand for (especially that fella's voice), but you put them in the same broad genre as the Delgados were, and I feckin' love the Delgados.

 

[Iam]

So name me anything any american rap outfit, whether backpacker or 'real', has done, which matches the sheer beauty of "Dreamin Days" which is one of the best tracks I have ever heard, in hip hop or any other genre.

It's not even my favourite Roots Manuva track...

It's purely subjective anyway, surely.

 

[kained&able]

Can I add Kelis to the list of excellent RnB, and of course the mother of them all, Missy Elliott.

I wrtote down missy and then decided it would have been wrong to call her RnB. can't belive i left off kelis though. She is quality.

dave

 

[Orang Utan]

Most present day rock music
acid techno

 

[The Groke]

Can I add Kelis to the list of excellent RnB,

No, you may not as:

1) "Excellent r&b" is an oxymoron and
2) Kelis is, to coin one of Dubs favourite phrases, "A bellowing fuck-pig"

and of course the mother of them all, Missy Elliott

No you mat not as:

1) Hip-hop not "r&b" innit - if only within the definitions already laid down in this thread.



I won't try to deny that Missy has made some great tunes though.

I think we can get too bogged down in categorisation.

Granted, but music usually does fall into one category or another.

Categorisation of music helps to tame and organise the incredible volume of music that is out there in the wild, and makes it a little more manageable for us when we choose what to listen to/purchase

You dismiss a genre and I think you might well throw out something you could love.

I am always relaxed about being proven wrong - especially when about music - as one ultimately benefits from having new doors opened.

I will say though, I have yet to hear anything in - what I term - modern/chart r&b that I have any time for.

If anyone has suggestions, then I would be glad to listen to them.

 

[Dubversion]

Swarfega - stavros has suggestions, i have suggestions. But you decide not to call R&B anything you like, so we're wasting our time.

How do you feel about Crazy In Love by Beyonce?

 

[Orang Utan]

Can I just put one band on this thread? Ufucking2 - it's U2 weekend on C4 and I'm very very angry

 

[Dubversion]

Can I just put one band on this thread? Ufucking2 - it's U2 weekend on C4 and I'm very very angry

I've managed to avoid it so far. Apart from the fucking ident/trailer, where as ever Bono and the other 3 cunts try and get kudos by association by standing next to images of people who's shoes they're not even fit to lick.

 

[The Groke]

Swarfega - stavros has suggestions, i have suggestions. But you decide not to call R&B anything you like, so we're wasting our time.

Yeah, Ok, maybe my declaration that:

"Excellent r&b" is an oxymoron

flies directly in the face of my subsequent:

I am always relaxed about being proven wrong - especially when about music - as one ultimately benefits from having new doors opened.

and I can admit I was being glib, but for now, I will stand by my statement that nothing that I have heard to date that can be pigeon-holed into "r&b" (by my definition) does anything for me.

How do you feel about Crazy In Love by Beyonce?

You know, oddly enough, this very track sprung to mind whilst I was writing an earlier response.

My honest answer is that I think it is "good" - no more and no less!

However, I would say that it was a "generic pop tune" not "R&b" and perhaps herein lies the problem.
Maybe I have got used to using the descriptor "r&b" to refer specifically to tunes that exist within a fairly nebulous pop-derived genre that I don't like?

Hmmm.


I would say that "Crazy in Love" may be by an "r&b" artist but I do not believe that it is necessarily an "r&b" track, though again, we could just end up butting heads over semantics here.

(please forgive me if I am less than clear or coherent in my musings as I am a little half-cut!)

 

[Orang Utan]

I've managed to avoid it so far. Apart from the fucking ident/trailer, where as ever Bono and the other 3 cunts try and get kudos by association by standing next to images of people who's shoes they're not even fit to lick.

I'm at work all weekend so can't avoid it.
Mind you, the tapes are at my disposal.......

 

[Orang Utan]

One programme is called A Day In The Life Of The Edge.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE FUCK THE FUCK OFF!

 

[Dubversion]

Swarfega - your drunkeness is a reasonable get-out clause

I really do think you're wrong though. Fuck, labelling music is fraught with peril anyway, but Crazy In Love is definitely R&B in the sense it now means. All sorts of stuff that isn't quite hiphop is R&B by default. Hey Ya is probably R&B, really... Most of it IS shite, I agree, but I also think some of the best singles of the last 5-10 years have been R&B. For the most part the albums suck - wailing balladry - but the singles can be great.

How about One Thing by Amerie? or Breathe by Blu Cantrell and Sean Paul?

 

[Dubversion]

One programme is called A Day In The Life Of The Edge.

woke up. Put on hat. Rearranged the same 3 guitar notes in a slightly different order to make the next album. Bought a new waistcoat. Wished Bono would stop banging on about Mandela quite so much. Wish I actually WAS Irish.

 

[Orang Utan]

How about One Thing by Amerie?

Now that is a tune

 

[perplexis]

as various people said on this thread, I don't think there's any genre with absolutely nothing to offer.
Except funky house.

That statement has just made my weekend
There are plenty of genres that can be hard to get grips with, especially noisy/fast ones, but it's often as much a matter of familiarisation as anything else.
I don't think anyone is born liking Merzbow, but people still do. I think everyone has to go through their own personal musical evolution, which takes whatever direction it takes, and can end up taking in loads of disparate genres, or not. And you end up with hours of hilarious subjective arguments for the merits of Mary j Bilge (sorry K&A) from some, or for Slipknot from someone else, or for Inkubus Sukkubus from me
Obviously there are still good and bad artists in any given genre, but sometimes finding those is actually impossible, or when you do discover them you find out they're actually different genre.
Dismissing entire genres out of hand can be excessive.
Funky house is still shit though.

 

[Orang Utan]

As opposed to house that is funky

 

[Blagsta]

I like Merzbow and Mary J Blige.

Do I win a prize?

 

[kained&able]

Can I just say for the recored that i don't actully like RnB. Just the odd artist and mainly only when collaberating with hip-hoppers.

Oh and i missed out jamie foxx off the list.


dave

 

[The Groke]

Swarfega - your drunkeness is a reasonable get-out clause

Isn't it always.

I really do think you're wrong though. Fuck, labelling music is fraught with peril anyway, but Crazy In Love is definitely R&B in the sense it now means. All sorts of stuff that isn't quite hiphop is R&B by default. Hey Ya is probably R&B, really... Most of it IS shite, I agree, but I also think some of the best singles of the last 5-10 years have been R&B. For the most part the albums suck - wailing balladry - but the singles can be great.

Would you then champion the idea that musical "genre" is now meaningless and irrelevant then?

Given that modern music is such a hybrid of everything that has come before, and the fact that these days there seems to be far less cultural division, tribalism and memes defined primarily by music, is there really any value left in actually labelling it all?

Maybe we should all try to get into the habit of just saying about specific tracks or artists: "music that I like" and "music that I dislike" and have done with it.

How about One Thing by Amerie? or Breathe by Blu Cantrell and Sean Paul?

I don't know either of these tunes, and indeed I have never even heard of Amerie.

I am so not down with the kids anymore.

 

[Dubversion]

Isn't it always.

damn right

Would you then champion the idea that musical "genre" is now meaningless and irrelevant then?

Given that modern music is such a hybrid of everything that has come before, and the fact that these days there seems to be far less cultural division, tribalism and memes defined primarily by music, is there really any value left in actually labelling it all?

Maybe we should all try to get into the habit of just saying about specific tracks or artists: "music that I like" and "music that I dislike" and have done with it.

nah, won't work. Genres have always been flawed. I've got 32000 mp3s or summat, and I organise them by genre. Not cos I'm anal but because it's the only way to find stuff. Try working out where to put a lot of acts on the end of the 50s - are they R&B, soul, rock n roll? It's always been a rough approximation full of flaws and inconsistencies. But genre pigeonholes do still serve a purpose, you just have to be aware of the imperfections.

I don't know either of these tunes, and indeed I have never even heard of Amerie.

I am so not down with the kids anymore.

Both cool tunes - try and track them down

 

[ViolentPanda]

Say it sister.



R Kelly and the ilk give me haemorrhoids.

So make them lube up before bumming you then!