Well the funny thing is that it seems you have to join Bilderberg first in order to become a World Leader. And who runs Bilderberg? Are they democratically elected or accountable?
What DOES the Bilderberg Group do?
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Well the funny thing is that it seems you have to join Bilderberg first in order to become a World Leader. And who runs Bilderberg? Are they democratically elected or accountable?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
It seems? Really how do you know?
Accountable to whom?
Well if they're secret government policies how do you know they exist?
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
Is the President democratically elected and accountable?
Is the Prime Minister democratically elected and accountable?
Is your boss democratically elected and accountable?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
What else would they talk about?
Bill Clinton; "Say does anyone else think Seinfeld is overrated?"
John Major; "You're kidding? The one with the soup Nazi is fucking hilarious."
Are you being entirely serious? I'm not sure... but anyway I think you are confusing Bilderberg with Bohemian Grove - I don't think anyone would claim Bilderberg is a holiday camp.
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
More an informal meeting of minds in a relaxed environment.
Your point.
Like you ignore everything that doesn't suit your delusional worldview.
Selamlar said:
’These are just talking shops/drinking clubs made up of the rich and powerful.’
I think it is probably a bit more significant than that. I doubt that it is the government of the NWO or anything. More like Roald Dahl's 'The Witches', except with lizards
They probably do discuss, but they must also decide things after these discussions in some instances.
If it was in the same hotel every year, I think it would be considered more significant probably. The fact that they move around, keeping the locations secret is kind of weird. I think what goes on can only be speculated, but it is interesting when you read the kind of people that Jon Ronson said he saw attending, quite a few sinister types. It not like it is a few wishy washy, make the world a better place non-entities:
‘… here was David Rockefeller, net worth $2.5 billion, chairman of the Chase Manhattan bank, huddled into the back of a local cab.
"Good afternoon, Mr Rockefeller," murmured Jim. The gatekeeper bowed and lifted the gate. Rockefeller waved, and the taxi disappeared up the drive.
Then came Umberto Agnelli of Fiat, Italy's de facto royal family, net worth $3.3bn, barely noticeable in the back seat of some old sedan. "Big Bilderberg family," said Jim. He was trying to remain matter-of-fact, but pretty soon he was grinning broadly.
"Jim!" I said.
"Damn right, soldier," he beamed. "Pretty overwhelming, huh?"
There was Vernon Jordan, Bill Clinton's close friend, his unelected unofficial adviser and golfing partner - Vernon Jordan, who plucked the president from Arkansas obscurity and nurtured him to the White House, and who is widely credited with pulling strings to get James Wolfensohn his job as president of the World Bank.
There was James Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank. "Incredible," murmured Fred. "Unbelievable."
And there was Henry Kissinger, possibly the most powerful individual the postwar world has known: Dr Kissinger, who sanctioned the secret bombing of Cambodia and later won the Nobel Peace Prize, who revealed to the press his heart attack with the words, "Well, at least that proves I have a heart" - and here he was trundling up the drive of the Caesar ParThe taxis kept coming. There were CEOs of pharmaceutical giants and tobacco companies and car manufacturers, the heads of banks from Europe and North America. Some, like Richard Holbrooke, America's United Nations representative, gave us friendly smiles, which Jim returned with a glare of undisguised loathing.'
Ronson adds:
‘...I did manage to speak to David Rockefeller's press secretary, who told me that Mr Rockefeller was thoroughly fed up with being called a 12ft lizard, a secret ruler of the world, a keeper of black helicopters that spy on anti-Bilderberg dissenters, and so on.
The Rockefeller office seemed to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the conspiracy theories. They troubled Mr Rockefeller (his press man said). They made him wonder why some people are so scared and suspicious of him, in particular, and global think-tanks such as Bilderberg in general. Mr Rockefeller's conclusion was that this was a battle between rational and irrational thought. Rational people favoured globalisation. Irrational people preferred nationalism. I asked him why he thought no Bilderberg member had returned my calls or answered my letters. "Well," he shrugged, "I suppose it's because they might want to be invited back."’'
An actual world government, no. A collection of very powerful Globalist capitalists meeting in secret, well... yes.
Example and explanation of influence and importance
'While furiously denying that they secretly ruled the world, my Bilderberg interviewees did admit to me that international affairs had, from time to time, been influenced by these sessions.
I asked for examples, and I was given one: "During the Falklands war, the British government's request for international sanctions against Argentina fell on stony ground. But at a Bilderberg meeting in, I think, Denmark, David Owen stood up and gave the most fiery speech in favour of imposing them. Well, the speech changed a lot of minds. I'm sure that various foreign ministers went back to their respective countries and told their leaders what David Owen had said. And you know what? Sanctions were imposed."
The man who told me this story added,
"I hope that gives you a flavour of what really does go on in Bilderberg meetings."
This is how Denis Healey described a Bilderberg person to me: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."
He said, "Bilderberg is a way of bringing together politicians, industrialists, financiers and journalists. Politics should involve people who aren't politicians. We make a point of getting along younger politicians who are obviously rising, to bring them together with financiers and industrialists who offer them wise words. It increases the chance of having a sensible global policy."
"Does going help your career?" I asked.
"Oh yes," he said. Then he added, "Your new understanding of the world will certainly help your career."
"Which sounds like a conspiracy," I said.
"Crap!" said Denis Healey. "Idiocy! Crap! I've never heard such crap! That isn't a conspiracy! That is the world. It is the way things are done. And quite rightly so."
Seems like an influential and important elite club to me, globalist in its idealogy.
’These are just talking shops/drinking clubs made up of the rich and powerful.’
I think it is probably a bit more significant than that. I doubt that it is the government of the NWO or anything. More like Roald Dahl's 'The Witches', except with lizards
They probably do discuss, but they must also decide things after these discussions in some instances.
If it was in the same hotel every year, I think it would be considered more significant probably. The fact that they move around, keeping the locations secret is kind of weird. I think what goes on can only be speculated, but it is interesting when you read the kind of people that Jon Ronson said he saw attending, quite a few sinister types. It not like it is a few wishy washy, make the world a better place non-entities:
‘… here was David Rockefeller, net worth $2.5 billion, chairman of the Chase Manhattan bank, huddled into the back of a local cab.
"Good afternoon, Mr Rockefeller," murmured Jim. The gatekeeper bowed and lifted the gate. Rockefeller waved, and the taxi disappeared up the drive.
Then came Umberto Agnelli of Fiat, Italy's de facto royal family, net worth $3.3bn, barely noticeable in the back seat of some old sedan. "Big Bilderberg family," said Jim. He was trying to remain matter-of-fact, but pretty soon he was grinning broadly.
"Jim!" I said.
"Damn right, soldier," he beamed. "Pretty overwhelming, huh?"
There was Vernon Jordan, Bill Clinton's close friend, his unelected unofficial adviser and golfing partner - Vernon Jordan, who plucked the president from Arkansas obscurity and nurtured him to the White House, and who is widely credited with pulling strings to get James Wolfensohn his job as president of the World Bank.
There was James Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank. "Incredible," murmured Fred. "Unbelievable."
And there was Henry Kissinger, possibly the most powerful individual the postwar world has known: Dr Kissinger, who sanctioned the secret bombing of Cambodia and later won the Nobel Peace Prize, who revealed to the press his heart attack with the words, "Well, at least that proves I have a heart" - and here he was trundling up the drive of the Caesar ParThe taxis kept coming. There were CEOs of pharmaceutical giants and tobacco companies and car manufacturers, the heads of banks from Europe and North America. Some, like Richard Holbrooke, America's United Nations representative, gave us friendly smiles, which Jim returned with a glare of undisguised loathing.'
Ronson adds:
‘...I did manage to speak to David Rockefeller's press secretary, who told me that Mr Rockefeller was thoroughly fed up with being called a 12ft lizard, a secret ruler of the world, a keeper of black helicopters that spy on anti-Bilderberg dissenters, and so on.
The Rockefeller office seemed to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the conspiracy theories. They troubled Mr Rockefeller (his press man said). They made him wonder why some people are so scared and suspicious of him, in particular, and global think-tanks such as Bilderberg in general. Mr Rockefeller's conclusion was that this was a battle between rational and irrational thought. Rational people favoured globalisation. Irrational people preferred nationalism. I asked him why he thought no Bilderberg member had returned my calls or answered my letters. "Well," he shrugged, "I suppose it's because they might want to be invited back."’'
An actual world government, no. A collection of very powerful Globalist capitalists meeting in secret, well... yes.
Example and explanation of influence and importance
'While furiously denying that they secretly ruled the world, my Bilderberg interviewees did admit to me that international affairs had, from time to time, been influenced by these sessions.
I asked for examples, and I was given one: "During the Falklands war, the British government's request for international sanctions against Argentina fell on stony ground. But at a Bilderberg meeting in, I think, Denmark, David Owen stood up and gave the most fiery speech in favour of imposing them. Well, the speech changed a lot of minds. I'm sure that various foreign ministers went back to their respective countries and told their leaders what David Owen had said. And you know what? Sanctions were imposed."
The man who told me this story added,
"I hope that gives you a flavour of what really does go on in Bilderberg meetings."
This is how Denis Healey described a Bilderberg person to me: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."
He said, "Bilderberg is a way of bringing together politicians, industrialists, financiers and journalists. Politics should involve people who aren't politicians. We make a point of getting along younger politicians who are obviously rising, to bring them together with financiers and industrialists who offer them wise words. It increases the chance of having a sensible global policy."
"Does going help your career?" I asked.
"Oh yes," he said. Then he added, "Your new understanding of the world will certainly help your career."
"Which sounds like a conspiracy," I said.
"Crap!" said Denis Healey. "Idiocy! Crap! I've never heard such crap! That isn't a conspiracy! That is the world. It is the way things are done. And quite rightly so."
Seems like an influential and important elite club to me, globalist in its idealogy.
gorski
customised free radical
If you wanna put a face on it... [I wouldn't.]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7280569.stm
Masks of capital. All they are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7280569.stm
Masks of capital. All they are.
I, for one, am not playing it down at all. But just trying to see it for what it is.
A secretive members club of influential people who get together to achieve their own personal agendas.
In real terms... this just means a great deal of internal politics and not an overall masterplan of domination. Self interest will ensure that there is never going to be enough cohesion to do anything drastic.
Secretive is irritating, though. The reality is that they only have to be as transparent as they want. Get used to that... it can't be any other way.
So, really, it comes down to what they are 'really' capable of doing.
Rational and actually possible would help..
As Ronson reports:
'This is how Denis Healey described a Bilderberg person to me: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."
He said, "Bilderberg is a way of bringing together politicians, industrialists, financiers and journalists. Politics should involve people who aren't politicians. We make a point of getting along younger politicians who are obviously rising, to bring them together with financiers and industrialists who offer them wise words. It increases the chance of having a sensible global policy."
Globalist corporate and financial elites, taking along the important politicians in their plan. Trying to reach consensus for 'global policy'. Interesting that they had Clinton and Thatcher in their club.
You say they could never all be in agreement to make anything happen; but that globalism is a big part of it there can be no doubt. As Healy himself admits, it is an elite global community. The ideology appears to be 'globalism'. Not quite sure what that means other than elite super capitalism with politicians dancing along to their tune.
'This is how Denis Healey described a Bilderberg person to me: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."
He said, "Bilderberg is a way of bringing together politicians, industrialists, financiers and journalists. Politics should involve people who aren't politicians. We make a point of getting along younger politicians who are obviously rising, to bring them together with financiers and industrialists who offer them wise words. It increases the chance of having a sensible global policy."
Globalist corporate and financial elites, taking along the important politicians in their plan. Trying to reach consensus for 'global policy'. Interesting that they had Clinton and Thatcher in their club.
You say they could never all be in agreement to make anything happen; but that globalism is a big part of it there can be no doubt. As Healy himself admits, it is an elite global community. The ideology appears to be 'globalism'. Not quite sure what that means other than elite super capitalism with politicians dancing along to their tune.
Who knows?
But without all the flowery discourse on dancing capitalists and such like... actually pinpointing their actual activity is quite hard, innit?
It was dancing politicians, not capitalists. More of simplistic image rather than some flowery discourse. And there are specific examples given, the Falklands war. Its what Denis Healy said- its about capitalists and other elites influencing the politicians. Here is the bit where Ronson interviews steering comittee member Lord Healy again:
'This is how Denis Healey described a Bilderberg person to me: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."
He said, "Bilderberg is a way of bringing together politicians, industrialists, financiers and journalists. Politics should involve people who aren't politicians. We make a point of getting along younger politicians who are obviously rising, to bring them together with financiers and industrialists who offer them wise words. It increases the chance of having a sensible global policy."
"Does going help your career?" I asked.
"Oh yes," he said. Then he added, "Your new understanding of the world will certainly help your career."'
gorski
customised free radical
New understanding my foot...
It's a very old "understanding", it's just that some semi-educated buffoons finally heard a bit about it in some smoke filled "members club only" over a drink... or thirteen... and somehow connected it with their interests and started with "organising" on the basis of this demi-cooked set of "ideas"...
What claptrap...
It's a very old "understanding", it's just that some semi-educated buffoons finally heard a bit about it in some smoke filled "members club only" over a drink... or thirteen...
and somehow connected it with their interests and started with "organising" on the basis of this demi-cooked set of "ideas"...What claptrap...
Yes it can. Government should and can be transparent and accountable. That's the idea behind democracy, anyhow.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Bilderberg is a government? Of what country? What it's remit?
I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove.. it's one man's idealistic view of an organisation.
And with regard to examples like the falklands - you have to ask how much of that was a direct policy on behalf of the Bilderberg group... and how much of it was just advice and self interest from several present members of the group.
Exactly.
The point was that Bilderburg is about increasing the influence of financial and corporate elites and inducting politicians into their agenda. That is clear to me. I am not sure why you continue to dispute the point. Its not an 'idealistic view' at all as far as I can see.
Regarding Falklands, I think here that you have point. But I was only trying to show that Bilderburg is important and influential, not that they decided and dictated support for this war.
I doubt that the guy was bragging by giving the Falklands example. More of an innocuous, faux-candid example from 25 years ago that nobody would get very uppity about.
I didn't realise that was the point I was disputing.
No... it wasn't. Financial and corporate elites have always been at the kings ear. And it will always be. And should always be.. it's our task to choose governers who listen to them only when necessary.
What the Bilderberg group does do is allow this communication to be spread globally. Which (in a way) is far far safer.. the more interests there are the more likely there will be a conflict of interests and the less likely anything will get done.
Of course it's important and influential. It's full of important and influential people.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Does the Bilderberg have a specific policy aside from being a talking shop?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
And of course you have total proof of this.
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