What do you think of Genesis P Orridge

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by Cheesypoof, Jan 23, 2016.

  1. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    I only heard of him a few months ago, and have found myself listening to his interviews on youtube as im getting up in the morning. An intriguing character who has lived quite a life and has interesting opinions on everything....he also appears quite pretentious but i like the fact that he doesnt compromise or apologise for any of it. His superficiality is part of his 'art' and oddly complements it. He strikes me as someone who is at once loving, and also spiky and capable of airbrushing the past and revising his own history. I think he's a bit of an old grump but there's something about his fierce individuality and encouragement of that in others that appeals to me. I'm not familiar with the Throbbing Gristle back catalogue, but am very impressed with what i have heard on the mellotran.

    I think he is a bonafide artist of sorts. Haven't seen the documentary he did with Lady Jayne (actually busted my computer trying to download it before Christmas!! it looks great). I'm thinking of getting his book, that comes with the lofty title, Thee Psychik Bible. Not sure if i should be referring to them as 'he' btw!

    What are folk's thoughts on him, his art, message, and music? I'm sure there's a few experts on here who are very familiar with his work, back in the day. Thanks - there are a few old threads on him but different to this one. I appreciate people's thoughts and stories.
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2016
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    what makes you think he is superficial?
     
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  3. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    Referring to himself as 'we' and his common sense ideas being reimagined as almost magical, esoteric concepts.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    no, what makes you think he is superficial? i don't think referring to yourself as 'we' makes you superficial: pretentious, perhaps, but not superficial. being as he's a longstanding interest in thelema it is perhaps no surprise to find allusions to 'magical, esoteric concepts' there.
     
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  5. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    Please dont ruin my thread, Pickman. I am really interested in people's opinions on Genesis P Orridge from Urban as i know folks on here will be knowledgable. You are welcome to share yours too on his art and music.
     
  6. S☼I

    S☼I I don't want your poxy mint

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  7. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i am not trying to ruin your thread, i wondered why you thought him superficial (i'm still wondering). being as you've never shown any sign of being interested in magick, i don't know how much you'll get on with someone who believes crowley should be considered on the same plane as nietzsche or wittgenstein: it's from that end of things that i've mainly encountered gpo.
     
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  8. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    Well, that's the bit about him i find superficial. Its an overall impression I get from his whole schtick, a vibe, if you like. But i still like him. I know you are interested in witchcraft, and knowledgable on it so feel free to contribute to the thread (about what you think of Genesis P Orridge as an artist). Do you think that one would have to be interested in magick to 'get' him, or take him seriously? What do you think of his ideas and music?
     
  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I went to one of their parties once. It was horrible.
     
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  10. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    really? what happened?
     
  11. Sirena

    Sirena Don't monkey with the buzzsaw

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Warning: I will be gendering GP-O as male, simply because it's easier for me.
    IMO GP-O is a true British eccentric. He's always been a controversialist, but not for the sake of being a controversialist. Rather, it's because he likes to explore things that interest him, and a lot of the things that have interested him are transgressive - whether that's sexual transgression, political transgression or moral transgression. He's a firm believer in the principle that you can't effectively comment on something unless you understand it.
    His magickal work doesn't appeal to me, mainly because I see him as part of the neo-Crowleyan stream of magick that came into being alongside (and to some extent through) the emergence of "Chaos Magick" in the UK - a system that ultimately borrowed heavily from the occult philosophies of former Brixtonian Austin Osman Spare - and it all seems a bit twee to me. I prefer my magick as a more straightforward transaction ("here you go, here's your burnt offering, now show me the money!") than Genesis does.
    His art I find very interesting, mainly because he's always up for taking a new route/trying out a new path to achieving his art. Listen to Throbbing Gristle's output, for example. From inception onwards the "band" always strove to present their message in new forms, looking for a way to (to borrow from the Lizard King) "break on through to the other side". And that "other side" was never commercial success, it was always about transcending the "now" and making art of it.
    I'd much rather see one GP-O in the world, with his eyes always set on the far horizon,striving to reach it, than a thousand "new British artists" and their commodificationism dresses up as art.
     
  13. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    When he says we, isn't he talking about himself and Lady Jane as a single entity? Hence his surgery etc.
    There's nothing pretentious or superficial about him.
     
  14. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    He refers to himself as "we" not in the royal sense, but because he believes that his late wife is present with him.
     
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  15. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Yep.

    I've never seen or heard of him being anything less than sincere about who he is and what he does, even when that's ended up costing him time and trouble.
     
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  16. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    I know that. Really want to see the documentary about their relationship.

     
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  17. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    Do you know where he gets his name from, VP?
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    oh: gpo's wife lady jaye not jayne or jane.
     
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  19. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist

    I went to quite a few Psychic TV gigs BITD - had friends doing spunk / blood etc sigils etc for TOPY :hmm:

    I loved all their Jack the Tab / Tekno Acid Beat etc stuff :cool:

    Gen is a lovely man but a bit strange

    23 :thumbs:
     
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  20. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist

    I've got Dreams Less Sweet on quadrophonic (or something) vinyl :)

    Plus loads of TOPY test presses I picked up at gigs - mostly unlistenable tbh :D
     
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  21. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Banality, basically.
     
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  22. Sirena

    Sirena Don't monkey with the buzzsaw

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  23. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

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  24. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    I met him at an academic conference, he was very polite. And very small!
     
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  25. fishfinger

    fishfinger تپلی

    I first met Gen in 1979. S/He was always a very friendly, funny, generous, and knowledgeable person. e.g. It was through them that I learned of William Burroughs. I last saw them ~1989.

    As mentioned above, s/he's always been interested in pushing boundaries, including gender identity. S/He is certainly guilty of hyperbole (T.G. inventing sampling, and PTV inventing Acid House), and airbrushing the past (Paula is never mentioned).
     
  26. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    What was the conference on? Nice one.
     
  27. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist

  28. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Patterdale Terrorist



    Evil Eddie Richards :cool:
     
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  29. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Gen's main talent was to gather a lot of interesting people around him.

    I think the move to America was his downfall as there wasn't anyone there who would take the piss out of him/her.
     
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  30. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    To answer the question in the OP. I like him/her a lot - even though we fell out, and even though s/he talks bollocks sometimes. And even though a lot of the music s/he's made isn't very good.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2016

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