What do you think of Bob Dylan

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Dylan - how do you rate him

  1. Excellent

    46 vote(s)
    46.5%
  2. Good

    22 vote(s)
    22.2%
  3. Average

    8 vote(s)
    8.1%
  4. Poor

    8 vote(s)
    8.1%
  5. Shite

    15 vote(s)
    15.2%
  1. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    And now the ret of my household are singing along to Self Portrait.

    Somewhat more tunefully than Bob, it must be said.
     
  2. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah, though I think the version without the overdubs on Another Self Portrait is better. All the Tired Horses is one of the few tracks I listen to of that album.
     
  3. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    I get a bit lost with all the alt versions these days. There are better versions of probably most of his 'initial' output (iyswim), but most of them just can't match the original pleasure in hearing a track. Granted that doesn't really work with SP.

    Listening to the rest of SP, from Copper Kettle on, I really have no particular desire (boom tish) to listen to it again for another five years. Actually, It Hurts Me Too, which is on now, is perfectly okay.
     
  4. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah there are so many it's a bit of pain in some ways. But Another Self Portrait really is excellent, I actually think it's better than the Basement Tapes (Vol 11_ one that came after it. The quality of songs is probably higher in Vol 11 but as an collection I think Another Self Portrait is better put together.
     
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  5. isvicthere?

    isvicthere? a.k.a. floppybollocks

    Bob Dylan pretty much single-handedly turned popular music from a trivial distraction for teenagers into a serious art form.

    So: excellent.
     
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  6. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    "Single-handedly".

    [​IMG]

    ;)
     
  7. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    I'd never heard it before, even though I had it on Russian pirate MP3 for ages. And I'm sorry, it is good, or at least better than its reputation implies. I will look out for Another Self Portrait, though.
     
  8. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

  9. Rimbaud

    Rimbaud Well-Known Member

    Yes, I did actually find it to be under-rated too. I guess it was hated at the time for defying fans' expectations, but it really isn't so bad.

    My attempt to listen to every single Bob Dylan album consecutively faltered somewhere around the late 80s/early 90s. Apparently it gets better again from the mid 90s but just too much crap to wade through for too long. Self-Portrait was better than a lot of his output from this period. His first Christian album was actually much better than I thought too, but it feels like he has already gotten bored of God bothering by the second and third Christian album and is just doing it to prove some kind of point. That is the point where he really loses direction for a decade or so.
     
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  10. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    try the doc Don't Look Back and the bootleg series, first three volumes. Essential early Dylan stuff.
     
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  11. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    he could never really match, apart from many exceptions, that earlier sound. He knew this better than anyone and he'd given up as a true creative by the 90s Imo.
     
  12. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy Banned

    i repeat what i said earlier, he is a songwriting genius

    but to quote a friend of mine (who is a fucking formidable writer. 'He is a liar and a thief. A goofball with a squeezebox')
    I also agree with that.
     
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  13. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    I think his biggest mistake, both personally and creatively, was splitting up with Joan Baez. She would have kept him on the straight narrow artistically, and would have kept him connected to a world of music, and to a folk tradition, that would have been a much better fit for him than the rock star life. She would probably have been more tolerant of him 'playing away' as well.
     
  14. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    so has your dylan journey revelled his "genius" or do you lean towards teh over rated camp?
     
  15. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    Oh, he was (note 'was') a genius, alright. It's just that I don't quite agree about what kind of genius he was.
     
  16. hot air baboon

    hot air baboon Well-Known Member

    he does sound a bit like someone trying to turn their car engine over on a cold morning tbf
     
  17. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    take this for example. The lyrics are great. But that's not why, in my opinion, it's so good. He is singing about his life, but he's impersonating someone else. It's not Dylan that is in the phrasing, it's someone else. So it's about his life, but the way he is singing it creates a new character. The phrasing leads to the invention of someone else. He is an impersonator, an actor. But he's also in the songs as well. :) this technique is at the heart of his genius imo.

    #dylanpseudes corner.

     
  18. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Too "cool" to collect his Nobel prize. Perhaps one day he will emerge from up his own arse but I doubt it.
     
  19. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

  20. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    Wait for the harmonica solo.

     
  21. BigMoaner

    BigMoaner Don't kill the lion

    ^ hes munted
     
  22. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    aarghhhh!!! please somebody take that fucking harmonica off him!
     
  23. Hollis

    Hollis bloody furious

    A couple clips from Rolling Thunder era, I believe...



     
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  24. Voley

    Voley Knees Up Mother Earth

  25. hipipol

    hipipol Peckham Wry

    Interesting lyrics, otherwise, lying greedy little shitbag -listen to his tosh at gunpoint
     
  26. leohartmann

    leohartmann New Member

    I love Bob Dylan's songs. I have some of his albums
     
  27. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    liar
     
  28. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    My favourite Dylan song is "Eve of Destruction".
     
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    2525 for me.
     
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  30. Fulham Fred's

    Fulham Fred's Member

    I think he's brilliant up there with Van and Gil, a bit short of Townes & Leonard and shorter still of the God like genius of Scott.
    You can't give higher praise than that.
     

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