What do you think of Bob Dylan

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by BigMoaner, Dec 24, 2015.

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Dylan - how do you rate him

  1. Excellent

    46 vote(s)
    44.2%
  2. Good

    25 vote(s)
    24.0%
  3. Average

    8 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. Poor

    8 vote(s)
    7.7%
  5. Shite

    17 vote(s)
    16.3%
  1. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    no, it's to do with reading vs listening - two very different activities. literature is surely about the written word?
     
  2. bluescreen

    bluescreen Je est un autre

    Etymologically it's to do with letters, yes, but I can see the Nobel prize for literature in the future being given to film makers or video games - anything with a creative linguistic input.
     
  3. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Nobody buys printed poetry anymore. Look at it, a tenner for a book the size of a takeaway menu.
    Bob Dylan and Kate Tempest are poets who got on a stage to be heard because they had something to say.
     
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  4. Sea Star

    Sea Star i touch cats

    Not possible to vote I'm afraid. It's more complicated than that.
    I still think he's brilliant in his early days. Not necessarily for the reasons that are general thrown around. He was a great mimic and had a genius for deconstructing stuff that he wanted to copy, and then being able to make music that sounded absolutely authentic.
    But hes a complete bullshitter, had a really bad attitude, and within a few years whatever he had turned to a nasty, fairly obvious piss take, to see what he could get away with, and he's been doing it ever since. I've gone right off him but I do still appreciate that he once had a fantastic talent.
     
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  5. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    I know I am probably on my own here. But that's when I stop paying attention. The second they open their mouth.
    I WANT TO READ!
    if you've got something important to say, write it down!
     
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  6. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    Hendrix couldn't sing either but was soooo much better.

    wtf!
     
  7. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    So you prefer reading to listening. Fair enough.

    What is deemed 'literary' is an important question? ...why not spoken/oral traditions too? I hate the way the 'value' judgement is imposed tbh.
     
  8. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Yeah he was shite too. Fucking show off!
     
  9. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    I dunno but I think literature comes in the form of books
     
  10. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    You love music though. Do you only listen to instrumentals?

    Come on...you like certain types of written material but you surely listen to and value others?
     
  11. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    So playwrights shouldn't be allowed to win then?
     
  12. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    My point is that the term 'literature' is a loaded one. It means more than simply 'written'. It implies a value judgement too.
     
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  13. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Pretty much yeah. Though I do like the voice as a musical instrument.
     
  14. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    I didn't say that. It seems anyone can win.
     
  15. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    You have, nor listen to, no artists or albums or whatnot that has lyrics?
     
  16. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Anyone whose creativity is based upon innovative and idealistic use of language, yeah
     
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  17. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Yeah, but I can't listen to the words. I have to read them.
     
  18. Sea Star

    Sea Star i touch cats

    I think we've kind of had this discussion wrt audio books. I honestly think it's a personal thing for you. Lots of other people don't feel like this. I much prefer spoken word. Sometimes the printed word is an insurmountable barrier to me.
     
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  19. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    as long as you understand that the spoken word can be too
     
  20. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    When they had Jeremy Irons, Pam Ayres and Denis Lawson reading out his lyrics like they were poetry on PM this evening it was utterly cringeworthy

    I can't imagine they'd scan much better written down
     
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  21. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    A sixth form English teacher once read Jim Morrison's lyrics to us as poetry. :(
     
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  22. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    :D PTSD. So sorry. :(
     
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  23. Sea Star

    Sea Star i touch cats

    We're all different. So yes.
     
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  24. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    Best Dylan song I've heard. Only two lines and he doesn't sing them.
     
  25. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    that's not even him. You don't know your Dylan at all.
    Those tired horses are ancient and magnificent.
     
  26. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    talentless fuck then, ain't he?
     
  27. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    No. He's a really troubling character, he's a bit of a fraud , and he tried hard to usurp his idol Woody Guthrie whilst the man was lying helpless in his psychiatric hospital bed.
    But still, credit where its due. If you've done a better poem than Bob do print it out and get a publishing contract.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2016
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  28. bluescreen

    bluescreen Je est un autre

    Same as music, really. The pattern's in the notes on the page. We can all imagine to ourselves what they'd sound like performed.

    Nah, I'm not such a Dylan fan myself but I'm glad they've given this prize to a songwriter and widened it out from the page.
     
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  29. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    that's really poor.
     
  30. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    there should be a music one if there isn't already
     

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