What do you know about Irelands 1916 Rising?

[8den]

*macneill* not o neill. casement returned on a submarine, the weapons were on the libau/aud.

Christ pickers I'm on a phone it was a mistake. Casement blamed the difficult submarine journey for exasperating his malaria which made his malaria flair up

 

[Thora]

I did do this at school actually, for my history A Level - it was one module of American history and one module of British and Irish history I think. Got a C. Don't remember any details.

 

[Plumdaff]

Did they not even tell you about the famine?

To be fair, it was mentioned, which is more than can be said for, say, the Indian rebellion; and the context was very much of British fault. We studied the Corn Laws, or Palmerston, or Castlereagh and Canning, in more depth. I knew more about the famine being brought up Catholic and having in mentioned in religious contexts tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Christ pickers I'm on a phone it was a mistake. Casement blamed the difficult submarine journey for exasperating his malaria which made his malaria flair up

by no means the last republican to be ill on a submarine. what's that saying about a good workman and his tools?

 

[catinthehat]

In the Scottish HN History curriculum there are several modules on Irish History and we had a combination of Irish and Scottish history choices on the Social Science HNC and D - first two years at Undergrad level for those not familiar with Scottish qualifications. The History teacher took over as CD from me when I left and she is ecstatic with the resources she is being able to glean currently especially from Radio 4. I know in the past we took them to Kilmainan Jail *sp?, the Post Office and other relevant sites. My old houseshare people when I lived in London were second generation from Kerry so we went to see a range of plays back in the 80s and I have heard them sing the songs - drunkenly, many, many times.

 

[BCBlues]

In the Scottish HN History curriculum there are several modules on Irish History and we had a combination of Irish and Scottish history choices on the Social Science HNC and D - first two years at Undergrad level for those not familiar with Scottish qualifications. The History teacher took over as CD from me when I left and she is ecstatic with the resources she is being able to glean currently especially from Radio 4. I know in the past we took them to Kilmainan Jail *sp?, the Post Office and other relevant sites. My old houseshare people when I lived in London were second generation from Kerry so we went to see a range of plays back in the 80s and I have heard them sing the songs - drunkenly, many, many times.

The songs have probably been the greatest source of information for many of us. Starting points to go get a book and find out what went on to inspire great songwriters like Luke Kelly and Christy Moore

 

[8den]

by no means the last republican to be ill on a submarine. what's that saying about a good workman and his tools?

Presuming that's what passes for wit today. Casements recurring Malaria caught while documenting colonial crimes in Africa is well documented.

 

[Pickman's model]

Presuming that's what passes for wit today. Casements recurring Malaria caught while documenting colonial crimes in Africa is well documented.

yes,i am aware of that. i was referring to sean russell who died on a german submarine 25 years later.

 

[8den]

Bloody Sunday was not about the Easter Rising!!!!

Edit: or were you being sarcastic?

With Gromit there's little difference.

 

[Espresso]

I got an A in history for my Inter Cert - more than thirty years ago - and needless to say 1916 would have been a large part of that, but I can't say as I remember a whole lot about it. I suppose if I still lived in Ireland my memory would have been susbstantially jogged this year.

 

[skyscraper101]

Taught nothing about it at school. I also suspect largely the curriculum saw to it that Ireland was virtually ignored. It was all Kings and Queens of England since 1066, mainly Tudors/Stuarts, then straight into c20th. Mainly WW1, 20s, Crash/Gt.Depression/Nazis/WW2.

I also remember being encouraged to write some 'balanced' piece on WW1 which sided on how awfully difficult it must've been for Field Marshall Haig to send those men to their deaths. FFS. No wonder I lost interest in curriculum taught history, even then I knew it was bollocks.

Most of what I since learned about the Easter Rising came from watching Fergal Keane's 'Story Of Ireland' and then reading the book. And numerous visits to Ireland and speaking to actual Irish people who know their history and studying the lyrics to a few rebel songs.

 

[Cheesypoof]

I got an A in history for my Inter Cert - more than thirty years ago - and needless to say 1916 would have been a large part of that, but I can't say as I remember a whole lot about it. I suppose if I still lived in Ireland my memory would have been susbstantially jogged this year.

This brilliant short book will bring it all back, in a good way. For Urbans who are unfamiliar with Yeats, the title is borrowed from his poem Easter 1916.

 

[8den]

This brilliant short book will bring it all back, in a good way. For Urbans who are unfamiliar with Yeats, the title is borrowed from his poem Easter 1916.

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The problem with the riding is it failed and it leaders executed, the Ireland they wanted was never close to realised so a lot of people transfer what they think the kind of Ireland these mean we're fighting far. The Ireland some of these men were aiming was s constitutional monarchy among some members.

 

[Cheesypoof]

The problem with the riding is it failed and it leaders executed, the Ireland they wanted was never close to realised so a lot of people transfer what they think the kind of Ireland these mean we're fighting far. The Ireland some of these men were aiming was s constitutional monarchy among some members.

The Ireland they were fighting for is close to realised today, what you saying man? Punters who took on the empire and SUCCEEDED eventually, in paving the way for Ireland's freedom. The bravery of these men, women and little kids can never be underestimated.

 

[stethoscope]

BBC Four on right now...

1916: The Irish Rebellion - BBC Four

 

[Idris2002]

The problem with the riding is it failed and it leaders executed, the Ireland they wanted was never close to realised so a lot of people transfer what they think the kind of Ireland these mean we're fighting far. The Ireland some of these men were aiming was s constitutional monarchy among some members.

Was it? I know there's the story in FSL Lyons' book about a conversation concerning the possibility of offering the Irish throne to a German prince - but I can't remember if there was a proper source for that, and a conversation in a spare moment of downtime is not the same as a committed policy position held over the long term.

Is there any evidence of any of the leaders being so commited to the idea of a constitutional monarchy?

 

[Casually Red]

Back to 1916 - well most of the chaps that were executed were poets and writers - this is why the prime ministers and subsequent guys like Churchill afterwards deeply regretted the mistakes made.

??? Are you serious ? The same Churchill who invented the Black and Tans and supported their reprisal policies ? Who wanted to bring in conscription ? Who wanted to reinvade the south during the 1940s ?

 

[Casually Red]

Was it? I know there's the story in FSL Lyons' book about a conversation concerning the possibility of offering the Irish throne to a German prince - but I can't remember if there was a proper source for that, and a conversation in a spare moment of downtime is not the same as a committed policy position held over the long term.

Is there any evidence of any of the leaders being so commited to the idea of a constitutional monarchy?

There is no evidence of any such thing. They were utterly firm in their objective of a republic . What that idiots referring to was an obviously sarcastic conversation that took place while besieged on all sides and under continuous shell fire .

 

[gawkrodger]

as this seems to be the closest to a centenary thread - how about this hilariously bad piece from the Telegraph?

Islamic State and the Easter Rising

 

[8den]

Was it? I know there's the story in FSL Lyons' book about a conversation concerning the possibility of offering the Irish throne to a German prince - but I can't remember if there was a proper source for that, and a conversation in a spare moment of downtime is not the same as a committed policy position held over the long term.




the lyons anecdote pops up in other places

 

[Casually Red]

i dont foist any blame, by the way, towards the modern British. Its part of the Empires history and how it manhandled a very bad situation in one of its colonies that wanted, and eventually achieved, freedom, but through violence. Scholars say there were chances for intervention beforehand, but I think, given previous futile efforts for 200 years, home rule and the rich cultural movement that preceded these tensions (includes the foundation of the Gaelic League, also the Abbey theatre by WB Yeats and Lady Gregory); in 1916 you have to understand that Ireland really felt like a republic and were on their way to becoming one within a few years - in 1916 you also have the business of WW1 and Englands unavailability, negotiations between the two countries never stood a chance. Ireland was ripe for rebellion and as the famous saying goes: 'Englands difficulty was Ireland's opportunity' - which sowed the seeds for our freedom today

In 1916 the insurgents were a very tiny force. The reactionary and pro empire Irish Nationalist party we're an absolutely massive political force with around 80 percent of the national vote, the unionists comprising the rest . James Connolly couldn't even get elected as a councillor .The nationalists wanted to remain in the British empire and get their slice of the pie . . Ireland felt absolutely nothing like a republic . Hardly anyone at all even came out to help the fighters , every Irish publication denounced them in the strongest of terms, with one prominent Nationalist owned newspaper calling for executions . British army recruitment was absolutely massive at the time. The place was absolutely wretched both socially and politically . Dublin wasnt called the second city of the British empire for nothing .

No offence but your view of those times strikes me as a bit off .

 

[Casually Red]

The Ireland they were fighting for is close to realised today, what you saying man? Punters who took on the empire and SUCCEEDED eventually, in paving the way for Ireland's freedom. The bravery of these men, women and little kids can never be underestimated.

No it isn't . It's further away than ever . That rotten Belfast agreement makes a complete mockery of every last word in the proclamation, and even the national flag itself .

 

[Casually Red]

Irish people don't have David Cameron pissing in their collective face - unlike certain other people I could name.

Some of us do .

 

[Casually Red]

James Connolly Education Trust

 

[8den]

Y

 

[eoin_k]

Has the 1916 revisionist tourist souvenir industry started up yet? I'd consider buying a '100% Irish Linen' tea towel with a portrait of Churchill weeping over his copy of Speeches from the Dock.

 

[Ax^]

Some of us do .

you from the north Red?


always took you as from the south

 

[Casually Red]

Has the 1916 revisionist tourist souvenir industry started up yet? I'd consider buying a '100% Irish Linen' tea towel with a portrait of Churchill weeping over his copy of Speeches from the Dock.

Chinas " tat " industry is doing pretty nicely out of it .

You can even get 1916 chocolate bars..and a fridge .

A fridge .


A fucking fridge .

 

[Casually Red]

you from the north Red?


always took you as from the south

Nope, nordie .

 

[Ax^]

A fridge .


A fucking fridge .

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