max_freakout
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it is 100% relevant to the OP
but it is also the question that "anarchists" are too ashamed to answer, because it highlights the sheer redundancy of the label "anarchist"
What do anarchists want to achieve?
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it is 100% relevant to the OP
but it is also the question that "anarchists" are too ashamed to answer, because it highlights the sheer redundancy of the label "anarchist"
danny la rouge
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Don't we? Well, isnt that naughty of us. Deciding what it is we want without asking you to define the word first.
butchersapron
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I believe someone said that to him months ago pisstakingly after he started this line before. It's at times like that when his lack of experience - political, cultural, anything let him down.
max_freakout
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it was just my speculation, because no anarchist would give an honest answer to the question:
how would they ensure that other people (ie non-anarchist people) fall into line with their vision of anarchy?
bluestreak
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Before the revolution, tea and dancing. After the revolution, tea and dancing.
danny la rouge
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You can't.
butchersapron
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No it's not as it goes. I'd like you to argue why you think it is.
Ther fact is, you've been shown to be using a tools understanding of the term anarchy then trying to force that childs understanding on anarchists. Quite rightly, they've pointed out what their use constitutes, wheere and how it differs from yours and had a little laugh at you.
danny la rouge
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Max, in all seriousness for a minute. Will you do me a favour? Read Bookchin's book about the Spanish anarchists before 1936. That should enlighten you about working towards an anarchist society.
max_freakout
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which brings me right back to my question, What do anarchists actually want to achieve?
stdPikachu
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What do cyclists want to achieve? Why the fuck do they all want to go pedal their way to Russia to see a belly-dancing bumble-bee in Minsk? I don't understand cyclists at all. If you look outside at any random cyclist you'll see they're all either on their way directly towards Russia or are heading towards an airport or ferry that'll take them closer.
danny la rouge
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Anarchy.
rogue_lettuce
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Without singling people out, just thought I should give pats on the back all round for some of the intelligent and witty comments on here.
Clearly none of the ones I'm thinking of came from max.
Clearly none of the ones I'm thinking of came from max.
Cid
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Alright, one last chance... You clearly haven't studied anything to do with anarchism so I'm going to make it really easy. Radio 4's in our time did a very good programme on anarchism, it covers all the bases and is also pretty rigorous, definitely not simplistic.
You can listen again here. Actually I'd recommend it to anyone interested in anarchy because it really is surprisingly comprehensive (for a 45 minute programme).
Indeed the first 3 minutes answer most of your questions...
max_freakout
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so anarchists want to achieve anarchy, but they havent figured out how?
danny la rouge
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Read Bookchin, M, (1998) The Spanish Anarchists, The Heroic years 1868-1936, Edinburgh: AK Press.
max_freakout
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just tell me, does it say anyhting about how non-anarchists would be converted in the event of an anarchist takeover?
danny la rouge
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What are we going to be taking over? In the event of a social revolution, (which would be a process, not an event), the role of anarchists will be to demonstrate how self management will work.
Cid
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How many people on these boards are in favour of our current masters max? How many are even in favour of the electoral system? Are any of us locked up? Do we lead horrible, downtrodden lives because of our beliefs (well ok some of you might)?
And as Cripsy said the entire point is that you have the individual freedom to opt-out as it were.
Now listen to the Radio programme I linked to because it really would help if you had the faintest idea what you're talking about (I mean you've even admitted to knowiung nothing about anarchism.).
And as Cripsy said the entire point is that you have the individual freedom to opt-out as it were.
Now listen to the Radio programme I linked to because it really would help if you had the faintest idea what you're talking about (I mean you've even admitted to knowiung nothing about anarchism.).
Johnny Canuck3
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I wanted anarchy as a youth, but now, my back would hurt sledgehammering the foundations of the establishment.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
TBF, there are sections of the movement that take exactly that line!
Thereby proving by their assumptions that "the movement" isn't homogeneous, given that we're laughing at them for making such assumptions!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What all anarchists want, in some shape or form, is the enactment/living out of the various forms of anarchism they support, so they may indeed want "anarchy", but not in the simplistic way that you mean the word.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The conservatives don't seem to want my conserve either.
Well, you know the tories. It's always "jam tomorrow..."
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what if nobody wants to join in?
max_freakout
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what is the difference between anarchism and anarchy?
and what is the similarity between anarchism and anarchy?
danny la rouge
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Then there won't be anarchy.
Crispy
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Then it doesn't exist at that moment in time.
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