What do anarchists want to achieve?

[ViolentPanda]

How do you feed 6 billion humans without 'controlling nature'?

That's meaningless, sorry. Lots of animals alter their environment, and all human groups do.

"Controlling nature" (or attempting to) is something mankind has done since we moved from hunt/gather to agrarianism. As you say, not controlling nature is meaningless without changing the entire underpinning of our culture for the last 8,000 years.

Unless, of course, one is looking to create some primitivist eden built on the fertilisation of the soil by, say, five and a half billion dead bodies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don’t think it’s a meaningless statement.

Lots of animals manipulate the resources at hand in their environments and ‘naturally’ that extends to humans.

However all natural laws operate in tandem encompassing efficient recycling and resource deployment (note how tribal societies migrate, plants reuse etc etc), that wastes nothing – something is always benefiting.

Except that we have no examples (extant or historical) of societes that "waste nothing". We have societies that minimise waste, but that's a different thing to eleminating wastage entirely.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

"Controlling nature" (or attempting to) is something mankind has done since we moved from hunt/gather to agrarianism. As you say, not controlling nature is meaningless without changing the entire underpinning of our culture for the last 8,000 years.

Unless, of course, one is looking to create some primitivist eden built on the fertilisation of the soil by, say, five and a half billion dead bodies.

Yes, there is something of the Pol Pot about such notions. Strangely, those who suggest that there are too many people in the world rarely see themselves as part of the excess.