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What can we expect from Copenhagen?

I think I heard sometime today that the document they are all working on, which is not a treaty but could form the basis of a treaty, is already something like 150 pages long. As such it may be too unwieldy to get agreement and a treaty in time for Copenhagen.
 
What can we expect from Copenhagen?

The words 'fuck all' spring to mind.

This.

I'm pretty worried that he's on the verge of monumentally fucking up the best chance the world had of sorting this problem out though.

I think it's just a question of 'how much we're going to be fucked' rather than trying to avoid it now.
 
The leaked emails may undermine the case for climate change which may damage progress at the Copenhagen summit.
 
- Warming trend beyond doubt.

- Reduce emissions from Aviation. Possible global cap and trading.

- UK government's existing aviation policy incompatible with climate change
 
A mega increase in the consumption of Danish pastries leading to the Scandavian Stockmarket hitting an all time high.

Greggs rescue the Dane's depleted stocks by sending over 50,000 cheese and onion pasties by Ryan Air. The plane gets shot down over the sea by the Danish Air Force because of its carbon emissions.

:p
 
I think the whole summit is going to be one giant *facepalm*

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:facepalm:
 
It seems there has been a dispute between the rich countries and the poor countries, the poor countries wanting a deal more like Kyoto and the rich wanting something else.
 
I'm sure we'll get a commitment to build many new nuclear power stations, which can be used to power a fast, clean and comprehensive train network that would drive most private motoring out of business.

Or not.
 
I'm sure we'll get a commitment to build many new nuclear power stations, which can be used to power a fast, clean and comprehensive train network that would drive most private motoring out of business.

Or not.

Perhaps they can make the rail sleepers out of reprocessed uranium :-)
 
Apparently they are still arguing about what temperature rise is acceptable 1 - 1.5 - 2 deg ..

49 least developed countries say 2 deg spells disaster for them.
 
Newsnight said that the conference centre has a fire safety limit of 15,000 delegates but 45,000 delegates from NGOs have travelled to Copenhagen and are being denied access to the conference.
 
Obama is apparently confident on achieving a workable deal at Copenhagen

The US is offering 17% cuts in carbon by 2020 (not considered enough by many)
 
Gordon Brown has apparently said that discussion at Copenhagen is about levels of emission cuts and financial help for developing countries.

Well d'uh what else did he expect?
 
Repost from Protest forum because I think this needs to be seen.

Back for a period because I want to talk about what is occuring here.
It is an absolute fucking disgrace.
In order to protect World leaders and unelected corporations who are attending the talks for their own self serving needs, any protest not supported by the state (you have to ask permission to protest and if they agree with your point they will let you go ahead - one of their nice little changes to the laws here to support this farce) the police are "premptively" arresting anyone involved in these protests before anything has occured. The arrest and detainment of 968 people on Saturday is an indication of this. Of these 3 people were charged with disorder.

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Yet the state and the police try to pass this off as necessary actions in order to avoid disorder. They corralled the back of the larger demonstration into Christmas Møllers platz and charged them, this was a group that included mothers and young children on a peaceful march to the Bella Centre. They then used zip wire on their hands and forced them to sit on the pavement for over 4 hours in 1.5C temperature. They were not informed of anything and were denied access to toilets forcing many to urinate on themselves. Many were then taken to a holding centre in Valby overnight which was basically a massive warehouse with no heating for "processing". All except the 3 released without charge. A friend who lives in Christiania and was by the Medical Centre that has been setup there said many of the people who had been held by police were in an absolute state of shock.

Defending this action because a couple of people threw some rocks at the Danish foreign ministry as the walk passed Christianshavn is offensive. Those that threw rocks and let off fireworks (some news agencies reported that guns were being fired, Absolute fucking bollocks, I was there) were told by the main group to go away. And they did so without further violence.

Sunday evening after arresting everyone (again "premptively") involved in a walk onto the harbour to protest against global trade in Østerbro - 300 people. no charges. The police then raided Christiania that evening, using tear gas and water Cannons on protesters camped there. Arresting hundreds more. With a few people charged with throwing petrol bombs - well there's only so much shit you can take.
Today is the major demonstration at Bella Centre and police have started using pepper spray and baton charges on activists who wish to create a peoples conference within the conference centre as they feel they are been ignored by those inside. This includes many NGO's, friends of the earth, greenpeace and the author Naomi Klein. The group has committed itself to non violent civil disobedience. Last night undercover police arrested the spokesman of Climate Justice Action, the moniker for this collective, again a "preemptive" arrest.

Guests arriving today for the conference include Robert Mugabe and Omar Al-Bashir. Both receiving lavish welcomes from the state and heightened security cordons.

I am deeply saddened to see Denmark slide further down into the authoritarian mire. One of the reasons I left the UK was due to the way the state control in that country was going. Soon there will not be anywhere else left to run. We have moved into an authoritarian nightmare where any dissenting voices are crushed by the state and corporate machine.

The people who care are angry.
 
It is a crisis of democracy when campaigning charities like Friends of the
Earth are prevented from speaking up on behalf of communities around the globe within the talks themselves.

We were stunned to discover that every Friends of the Earth delegate has been banned from attending these crucial talks - if this is a consequence of our role as one of the most prominent groups calling for a strong and fair agreement, this is even more disturbing.

This draconian measure is completely unjustified - the Copenhagen conference is fast becoming an international shambles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...sts-live?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
 
Scuffles break out at Copenhagen climate protest march

Yet all i can see are some protesters penned in by the police, being batoned by the police and suffering from the effects of tear gas.

I believe it takes 2 to scuffle....


Wankers.
Maybe so, but the Danish police seem pretty restrained in that video. Not nearly as enthusiastic for le baton as other Continental forces. Probably not even as much as the Met have become.
 
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