what are the most pressing issues facing the working class in britain?
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bolshiebhoy
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A selfish gene at work no doubt? Who says anarchism is petty-bourgeois...Pickman's model said:
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the most pressing issues affecting the working class are going to be the ones which affect them on a day-to-day basis, and i suggest that things like housing and work - or the lack thereof - affect people more than fucking billboards or fucking liberal-fascist papers.bolshiebhoy said:
do you honestly believe that the state of affairs in bolivia or afghanistan is a more fucking pressing issue for the british working class than housing or health in the uk?
bolshiebhoy
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Top Dog you're lving up to my expectations. What is 'self-interest' in anarchist theory?
bolshiebhoy
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This is precisely what is provincial and corner-shopish about anarchism. The working class is global because the capitalist system is global. Which incidentally is why the anarchist fantasies about autonomous federations are a non-starter. But that's a tangent. Right now in the US there is a huge debate about how the most basic needs of the working class in New Orleans were ignored because, in the most direct fashion possible, the bodies who should have been on the ground helping people were busy dishing shit to the Iraqi working class. Only in your 'small is beautiful' fantasy world does 'the working class' have no interest in broader political issues.Pickman's model said:
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Communism if you think about it is a very 'selfish' impulse in that it would be the only way to really safeguard and guarantee each person's entitlement to the commonwealth... "from each according to to their abilities, to each according to their needs"bolshiebhoy said:
Your not one of these utopian socialists are you?
Pickman's model
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sadly for yr pitiful analysis we're not talking about our yankee brethren.bolshiebhoy said:
why do you find it so very hard to keep yr contributions on-topick?
bolshiebhoy
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Yous woudn't know materialism (let alone the historical variety) if it came up and bit your collective - sorry selfishly individual - arses.
bolshiebhoy
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this from the idiot who's first instinct was to reply "you're a cock".Top Dog said:
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but he's right!bolshiebhoy said:
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True as that may be, it's not germane to his lack of an iota of politics. 'communism is selfish'!!! Only ana anarchist moron could say that.Pickman's model said:
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Actually it was "you're being a cock". And you are. Which was in reply to your devastating [sic] (but sadly irrelevant sideswipe) argument relating to the thread topic: what are the most pressing issues facing the working class in britain?bolshiebhoy said:
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bolshiebhoy
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If I needed to re-read dear old Karl, believe me it wouldn't be to dismiss your misunderstanding of him.Top Dog said:
Abuse aside though. I stand by the claim that anarchism is a corner-shop mentality. The history of the british working class is a different one, one of showing solidarity with workers around the world, something that 'selfish gene' anarchism has done little to encourage (not that I'm saying all anarchists are the same by the way).
this is a silly strawman bolshieboy, and more to the point you know that. The poll seems to be about the most pressing issues concerning workers in this country. "most pressing" is quite likely to mean to most people the most immediate concerns they have- which for me would be debt, cost of housing, crime and health. That is not to say that struggles elsewhere do not concern me, it is just that they have less of an impact on my day to day life [and, I would imagine, the lives of my neighbours] that the immediate concerns of eating, working and keeping a roof over my head.
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what, it's a philosophy dominant amongst the indian shopkeepers of this country?bolshiebhoy said:
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Pickman's model said:
Then again, that would explain the islamophobia
Pickman's model
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so, indian shopkeepers in this country are islamophobick? all of them?bolshiebhoy said:
flypanam
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Fair enuff but i think whta the bhoy is on about that the WC can see the links between the things that effect them immediately like housing are a result of underfunding due to blairs and the ruling classes overseas ambitions. essentially the WC can join the dots.
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can you please fucking read the fucking thread title?flypanam said:
this thread isn't about the fucking interlinked fuckery of capitalism, it's about the fucking pressing issues facing the working class in britain, which title makes fucking clear the international nature of the working class. it's not about the fucking dots, not about joining the fucking dots, but about the fucking most important issues immediately affecting the working class here.
1) Privatisation and acceptance of 'private good, public bad' by all major parties. (affects housing, health and education, and poor quality/lack of)
2) Pensions - attack on...
3) Workplace stress, and lack of confidence to deal with it by workers acting collectively..
4) War, cos its more than just the state of other countries, it's also wot is happening to social cohesion, civil liberties, and total cynicism about our (lying) political leaders, as well as waste of cash and the general slaughter.
That's not in any order, and is meant to replace others, but its wot i reckon.
Of course there's a difference between what the most pressing issues are, and what they are perceived to be.
2) Pensions - attack on...
3) Workplace stress, and lack of confidence to deal with it by workers acting collectively..
4) War, cos its more than just the state of other countries, it's also wot is happening to social cohesion, civil liberties, and total cynicism about our (lying) political leaders, as well as waste of cash and the general slaughter.
That's not in any order, and is meant to replace others, but its wot i reckon.
Of course there's a difference between what the most pressing issues are, and what they are perceived to be.
bolshiebhoy
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You don't do irony do you. Wish I'd gone to the pub at lunchtime and not come back.Pickman's model said:
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i suggest an apology & retraction's in order.flypanam said:take it easy, turd burgler.too many
for a so-called socialist (and, i'd expect, someone who's paid lip-service to gay rights in the past), it's interesting that the insult you leap for is a homophobick one. i suppose that in the circles in which you move, such an epithet's acceptable. but i'm surprised & disappointed to see you plunge so low in yr ire.
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