What Are the Jesuits All About

[krtek a houby]

She draws a distinction between ideology 'isms' and 'felt' religion.

I'm happy to say I was never "felt" by any of the J's but there were always rumours about one or two of them...

 

[Shevek]

money money money

 

[Belushi]

How is it a big business though, i don't understand.

Because of its enormous wealth and political power, this is a church with its own banking arm remember!

 

[Shevek]

I'm happy to say I was never "felt" by any of the J's but there were always rumours about one or two of them...

I'll have to dig out that article and start a thread about it

 

[Belushi]

It's 2k yrs worth of money. Shit accumulates.

Innit, or the money made form the Indulgences business...

 

[Shevek]

this is a church with its own banking arm remember!

really what is the bank called?

 

[DotCommunist]

Innit, or the money made form the Indulgences business...

oh fuck, indulgences

That shit fueled the reformation a lot

 

[cesare]

Let's not forget how it was at one point traditional for childless landowners to leave the land to the church, Kings to make themselves look good by gifting the church with lands and estates etc.

It's 2k yrs worth of money. Shit accumulates.

I never forget that. They are landowners and powerful. They are as much the ruling class as the aristos. But they are more effective.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'll have to dig out that article and start a thread about it

Hey, why not.

I still have a fondness for my schooling back in the aul' sod but I'm happy to have escaped the small mindedness that some people still subscribe to!

 

[Belushi]

really what is the bank called?

Institute for Works of Religion, though its commonly known as the Vatican Bank.

 

[cesare]

oh fuck, indulgences

That shit fueled the reformation a lot

You're quite pro-proddy eh

 

[DotCommunist]

who was the Vatican Banker....ah yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

Robert Calvi

Well dodge

 

[Belushi]

Poor Pope John Paul I

 

[cesare]

Let's not forget how it was at one point traditional for childless landowners to leave the land to the church, Kings to make themselves look good by gifting the church with lands and estates etc.

It's 2k yrs worth of money. Shit accumulates.

If you look at churches as corporations, it all makes sense. If you look at churches as long lasting corporations, it makes even more sense.

 

[krtek a houby]

who was the Vatican Banker....ah yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

Robert Calvi

Well dodge

Indeed.

Wonder which has led to more deaths, suffering and misery over the years; Catholicism or Communism?

I suppose it's subjective...

 

[DotCommunist]

Indeed.

Wonder which has led to more deaths, suffering and misery over the years; Catholicism or Communism?

I suppose it's subjective...

Not really. The brand of authoritarian Communism you attribute mass deaths to is a 20th century phenomenon. Basically you are talking ahistorical wank. Marx n Engels talked about primitive communism which is older than capitalism but the Stalinist or maoist brands of dictatorship have fuck all on the Catholic church when it comes to murder. And Catholic collusion with fascism is a very modern fact

 

[cesare]

Not really. The brand of authoritarian Communism you attribute mass deaths to is a 20th century phenomenon. Basically you are talking ahistorical wank. Marx n Engels talked about primitive communism which is older than capitalism but the Stalinist or maoist brands of dictatorship have fuck all on the Catholic church when it comes to murder. And Catholic collusion with fascism is a very modern fact

Has proddy Advocate found your log-in?

 

[krtek a houby]

Not really. The brand of authoritarian Communism you attribute mass deaths to is a 20th century phenomenon. Basically you are talking ahistorical wank. Marx n Engels talked about primitive communism which is older than capitalism but the Stalinist or maoist brands of dictatorship have fuck all on the Catholic church when it comes to murder. And Catholic collusion with fascism is a very modern fact

"Primitive communism"? So, you're a primitive communist & have no truck with all that 20th century malarkey, then? I see. Millions died under Stalin and Mao. But hey, that's just a bunch of wannabe latter day primitives getting it all wrong...

As an ex Catholic I can assure you I've never had any collusion with fascism, thanks very much.

 

[Belushi]

I love the way atheists who grew up in a faith always end up getting back behind their side when the debate gets heated

 

[DotCommunist]

"Primitive communism"? So, you're a primitive communist & have no truck with all that 20th century malarkey, then? I see. Millions died under Stalin and Mao. But hey, that's just a bunch of wannabe latter day primitives getting it all wrong...

As an ex Catholic I can assure you I've never had any collusion with fascism, thanks very much.

1) Figures vary wildly depending on the motivations of the historian (far too many, far too fucking many. That's for sure)

2) I mentioned primitive communism as a balancer not as something to be considered as my personal adherence. Loon.

I never said you colluded with fascism as an individual did I? Learn to divorce the individual from the ideology.

 

[DotCommunist]

Has proddy Advocate found your log-in?

any excuse to put the boot in on Natzinger and his followers. Wearing black and telling folks what to do? eh? eh?

 

[DotCommunist]

I love the way atheists who grew up in a faith always end up getting back behind their side when the debate gets heated

How dare you. Deist agnostic here thankyou please

 

[krtek a houby]

1) Figures vary wildly depending on the motivations of the historian (far too many, far too fucking many. That's for sure)

2) I mentioned primitive communism as a balancer not as something to be considered as my personal adherence. Loon.

I never said you colluded with fascism as an individual did I? Learn to divorce the individual from the ideology.

Well, as I said it's subjective. And evidently, emotive.

"And Catholic collusion with fascism is a very modern fact" Perhaps you meant to say Catholic Church collusion?

Commumism, along with religion and capitalism have all been detrimental to humanity - all have failed and all should be consigned to history's dustbin.

 

[DotCommunist]

You didn't even bother to wiki primitive communism did you?

Do you think people woke up one day and went 'yay, let's change from feudalism to capitalism'?

 

[cesare]

Jesuitical derail

 

[krtek a houby]

You didn't even bother to wiki primitive communism did you?

Do you think people woke up one day and went 'yay, let's change from feudalism to capitalism'?

Ah, first the "loon" insult & now the patronising angle.

No, I didn't wiki it - I have a fair idea of what it is. Brehon law and all that.

My point is this, you're pretty quick off the mark to demonise Catholicism - and I am no fan of it, for the most part - but fairly defensive about another failed ideology.

Mammon, Marx, Martin Luther, Matthew, Mark, Luke & John - it's just not for me.

 

[Shevek]

[scouser] 'calm down, calm down'

 

[xes]

Fucking religion, turns people into wankers

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

a Jesuit is a suit worn by bible bashers to go bible bashing spreading the word of jesus in; it's an amalgamation of jesus-suit which has been shortened.. of course...

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking religion, turns people into wankers

no, religion turns wankers into religious wankers