why are you being a twat?
this is the first time i have seen them being used, is it the first test series they have been used in?
West Indies vs England Test Series
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why are you being a twat?
this is the first time i have seen them being used, is it the first test series they have been used in?
I was just apologising for cramming too much information into my posts
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Why is Stuart Broad playing?
If they want five bowlers, they should pick Anderson.
If they want an extra batsman, they should pick Shah.
I'm with Richie Benaud on this one. An all-rounder must be test-class in at least one of the two disciplines. Broad falls short in both.
If they want five bowlers, they should pick Anderson.
If they want an extra batsman, they should pick Shah.
I'm with Richie Benaud on this one. An all-rounder must be test-class in at least one of the two disciplines. Broad falls short in both.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Agreed, Anderson > Broad. With Harmison playing there's really no need to have Broad in the side as well. Although I think we probably need an extra bowler more than an extra batsman against the Windies, especially if Flintoff is good for some runs again as would seem to be the case.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
It seems to be part of that mystifying favouritism that sees Bell keep his place. As a batsman, Broad is a useful tailender on the same level as Brett Lee. As a bowler, he is innocuous. It seems a timid move to pick him ahead of Anderson on the basis of his better batting. When he gets it wrong, Anderson is awful, but when he gets it right, he swings it both ways at pace and can get anyone out. And with four other front-line bowlers there, if he has an off day, he can be hidden. Not ideal, but surely better than dependable mediocrity.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
No doubt Broad will get a fivefer tomorow and make us both look like idiots 
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Gayle may be in the mood for another big score. He's always reminded me of Carl Hooper - oodles of talent, but an unerring ability to get himself out when looking set. The captaincy improved Hooper by making him more responsible. It may be doing the same for Gayle. There's another parallel - both Gayle and Hooper take/took useful wickets with their part-time spin, which possibly made them less responsible when it came to batting - their bowling is/was another means to contribute.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Quite, Jimmeh is one of the worlds best on his day (granted, he's also hopeless off his day). Broad is 'a jolly good chap' who has a couple of fifties and is sort of reliable at filling up an end.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
The TMS lot seemed to share your surprise to find a big lad like him bowling spin. I can see a tall spinner having advantages though...
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I think Broad will be a damn good player in a few years, but the great white hope label was stuck on him a bit too early IMO and he needs more time to pay his dues in county cricket. Mind you, as a Nottinghamshire supporter I say that with a bit of a vested interest.
mattie
missing in inaction
Good points both - a taller spinner may get a bit more bounce, but at the very least he'll be a bit unorthodox and ask a few different questions.
This is shaping up nicely as a match and hopefully as a series - I thought the idea of Windies being knocked over too optimistic, there's a bit more control and steel in there now. Need Panasar to actually engage his brain between deliveries though - what was it Warne was saying?
This is shaping up nicely as a match and hopefully as a series - I thought the idea of Windies being knocked over too optimistic, there's a bit more control and steel in there now. Need Panasar to actually engage his brain between deliveries though - what was it Warne was saying?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Referrals are shite.
I only hope those that govern the game are trying there hardest to make them look shit so we can kill off this nonsense about 'correct decisions' and get back to how the game should be played.
I only hope those that govern the game are trying there hardest to make them look shit so we can kill off this nonsense about 'correct decisions' and get back to how the game should be played.
Is that sour grapes because England haven't been quite so useful with them. They keep crying wolf since the first decision went their way.
To be fair, the Gayle decision was a decent one to refer. The ball hit his thigh rather than the bat - it's a bit rough to get out like that.
We'll have to see how it pans out. The idea of teams, particularly the bowling one, using tactical appeals to slow things down and unsettle the batsman may prove dislikeable mind.
To be fair, the Gayle decision was a decent one to refer. The ball hit his thigh rather than the bat - it's a bit rough to get out like that.
We'll have to see how it pans out. The idea of teams, particularly the bowling one, using tactical appeals to slow things down and unsettle the batsman may prove dislikeable mind.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Not at all. I don't care either way I just don't want this nonsense in the game. Umpiring decisions make series and games of cricket. It's removing entirely that element of luck and judgement that has served it well since its conception.
Indeed a large part of its charm is that it has that outside element in it. TV has brought the game to many people, but like all money related events it starts gnawing at the soul of the game.
In a year's time we'll probably be wondering why we didn't have the system years ago.
Early doors innit.
Glad to see KP didn't cop any flak here, the likes of Bell and Cook are the ones that should be under pressure.
Shaping up nicely this 'un, great to see the WI battling.
Early doors innit.
Glad to see KP didn't cop any flak here, the likes of Bell and Cook are the ones that should be under pressure.
Shaping up nicely this 'un, great to see the WI battling.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Benn's gone, and as per my prediction above Broad's on his way to his first test fivefer 
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Benn's gone, and as per my prediction above Broad's on his way to his first test fivefer
And there it is
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Surely he's got to be out on his arse now?
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
You'd hope so. If they don't give players experience right now, they'll not be ready for the Ashes.
I would throw in Rashid and Shah for Panesar and Bell.
And fly in Key and Bopara for Cook and Collingwood (left and right openers).
If it doesn't work, well at least Cook, Colly, Bell and Panesar are all 30 - 50 cap players who can come back?
I would throw in Rashid and Shah for Panesar and Bell.
And fly in Key and Bopara for Cook and Collingwood (left and right openers).
If it doesn't work, well at least Cook, Colly, Bell and Panesar are all 30 - 50 cap players who can come back?
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I doubt they'll dismantle the side that much, but changes need to be made somewhere. Bell is the obvious one, his constant place in the side is baffling given his patchy-at-best form and his tendency to get out for fuck all, which is not what a number 3 batsman needs to be doing. Better to bring back Michael Vaughan than keep Bell tbh, at least Vaughan knows how to get his eye in properly.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
And KP's gone. Oh. For. Fuck's. Sake 
bi0boy
Power User
And KP's gone. Oh. For. Fuck's. Sake
It's my fault, I just turned the radio on to TMS.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Yup. I'd go with that, but still think there is a development opportunity gone to an extent although obv. not as much as I was saying (plus a chance to rest some players).
This Test looks gone now, which may be no bad thing to get people focused.
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