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West Ham fined 5.5 MILLION.
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CyberRose
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Absolute disgrace. They should have an automatic relegation fuck points deduction. It's set a very dangerous precedent as the Premier League have effectively said to the clubs they can field inelligable players and won't face any serious punishment. £5.5m is pennies to West Ham, especially if they stay up and get the £30m TV money. They should have been automatically relegated, fined £15m and have no parachute payments next year. They knowingly cheated and broke the rules so they could play those two players, and for that they should be thrown out of the league
leftistangel
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tommers said:
Not when other teams have faced deductions and removal from competitions. One rule for one etc. And no, I'm not so certain that a fine would have been issued had the culprit been Wigan or Middlesbrough (deducted 3 points and relegated by the FA in 1997 for a much lesser offence) or Sheffield United instead of a fashionable London club who may not only now stay up but are actually benefiting from the contributions of a player who was illegible.
But this particular circumstance hasn't arisen before. The players weren't ineligible, it was the nature of their contracts that was questioned rather than whether they were say cuptied for having played for another club or whatever.
CyberRose
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Eh? The nature of their contracts broke League Rules and they would never have been allowed to sign for West Ham if the club hadn't lied about the "nature of their contracts" - hence - they are/were ineligible to play for West Ham.RenegadeDog said:
I think Wigan should be allowed to borrow Ronaldinho for their last two games, cos all it costs is £5m out of the £30m they will be paid for being in the Premiership next season.
Oh well, fingers crossed West Ham do a Leeds
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
The Prem League were in a difficult position because of their own delay in acting about this case, and there are other factors anyone should consider when slagging off WHU.
Firstly, had Kia Jorabchian bought the club, as was his intention last August when the deals for the two players were doen, then the club and players would have been in the same ownership, so this mess wouldn't have arisen.
When the new ownership took over it was the club themselves who notified the Prem League of the irrgeularities they had discovered in the contracts.
By not acting immediately and deciding our punishment at the end of the season the deduction of points would instantly have relegated us, whereas if we had been docked points at Christmas we would atleast have had the opportunity to recover them on the field. It would have been better if the rule book contained the punishments so everyone knew what the result would be befor ehand, and there could be no suspicion that the penalty had been played around with.
The club's submission that the contracts gave no actual influence to any third party was accepted by the commission, unlike the situation with loan signings when the owning club has a big say in what the player can and can't do, which is surely more worrying.
Firstly, had Kia Jorabchian bought the club, as was his intention last August when the deals for the two players were doen, then the club and players would have been in the same ownership, so this mess wouldn't have arisen.
When the new ownership took over it was the club themselves who notified the Prem League of the irrgeularities they had discovered in the contracts.
By not acting immediately and deciding our punishment at the end of the season the deduction of points would instantly have relegated us, whereas if we had been docked points at Christmas we would atleast have had the opportunity to recover them on the field. It would have been better if the rule book contained the punishments so everyone knew what the result would be befor ehand, and there could be no suspicion that the penalty had been played around with.
The club's submission that the contracts gave no actual influence to any third party was accepted by the commission, unlike the situation with loan signings when the owning club has a big say in what the player can and can't do, which is surely more worrying.
London_Calling
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kained&able
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WOULD BE. Thats future tense is it said IS inelligible then you might have a leg to stand on(i know its pedantic but its legalise so needs to be). Tevez has always been a a west ham player and so is eleigible hence why he got to play yesterday without having to be re-registered.
He is a legal west ham player on an illegal contract.
So ummm mascherino. I actully now want to know. If tevez had a cancellation clause in his contract in jan im guessing he did. His was taken up and liverpool ended up with him after paying corinthains or msi or whoever. Was he legally allowed to leave us? And if so how?
And warnock etc can kiss my arse what fucking proof do they have that they would have had points deducted. Sour grapes just beacuse they know we have finally started playing properly and they are now clawing for points. I wouldn't even have minded a 5 point deduction next season(although guess it couldn't be done cos if we went down it wouldn't be enforcable) but this season with three games to go it would have been shit.
dave
He is a legal west ham player on an illegal contract.
So ummm mascherino. I actully now want to know. If tevez had a cancellation clause in his contract in jan im guessing he did. His was taken up and liverpool ended up with him after paying corinthains or msi or whoever. Was he legally allowed to leave us? And if so how?
And warnock etc can kiss my arse what fucking proof do they have that they would have had points deducted. Sour grapes just beacuse they know we have finally started playing properly and they are now clawing for points. I wouldn't even have minded a 5 point deduction next season(although guess it couldn't be done cos if we went down it wouldn't be enforcable) but this season with three games to go it would have been shit.
dave
revol68
what, fucking what?
Well Larne FC have just been relegated after having 16 pioints deducted for a bureacratic fuck up. Fucking joke, going down instead of shitty Loughgall and they just beat Donegal Celtic which would have kept them up.
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Sunray
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leftistangel said:
Middlesborugh called in sick!
That's the most insane thing any club has ever done in my life time, got 3 points deducted for it. They didn't get relegated because of that they got relegated because they were shit. They had plenty of points left to win, just didn't win any.
kained&able
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CyberRose said:
Not quite sure how but apparently not. I'm really not sure how but his registration was still valid so was legally allowed to play in the premiership but.................
To be honest i'm still confused.
And sunray they didn't even call in sick(which your allowed to do with permission a couple of days before the game if i remember) they just plain didn't turn up and afterwards said we were sick(or possibly on the day i can't remember)
dave
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leftistangel said:
Anyway back on topic... i'm sure that £5.5m will be more than made up for by the £40m (or whatever it is) they'll be receiving next year if they stay up... bet Tevez scores the goal that keeps them up now as well, cheating bastards.
revol68
what, fucking what?
strung_out said:
Anyway back on topic... i'm sure that £5.5m will be more than made up for by the £40m (or whatever it is) they'll be receiving next year if they stay up... bet Tevez scores the goal that keeps them up now as well, cheating bastards.
I must be weird or something, but I think bureacratic fuck ups should be punished in bureacratic ways, that is keeping them off the pitch!
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Tell that to teams like AFC Wimbledon and Rotherham etc etc... beaurocratic punishments for beaurocratic fuck ups?revol68 said:
revol68
what, fucking what?
strung_out said:
And I have said their punishments for such minor paper work screw ups are ridiculous.
As it is Larne FC have just been deducted 16 points cos they apparently didn't have the proper paperwork in order for a player (some crap about international registration), this has seen them relegated after they heroically battled to stay up.
London_Calling
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Try and grasp the basics. Of course it wasn't "off the pitch".revol68 said:
West Ham played ineligible Argentinean superstars who they hoped would give them an advantage vs. other teams.
The extent of how that worked out is irrelevant, it's suffice to say using ineligible players cost other teams points and positions in the table.
revol68
what, fucking what?
London_Calling said:
Is their proof that they deliberately sought to cheat or is it not that their was some confusion around his rather complex circumstances. I mean if West Ham were aware of any issues could they have had them easily ironed out, like in the case of Larne and AFC Wimbledon were it was really just a silly piece of paper?
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It's quite simple really... they weren't deducted points cos the authoritues were scared of having to spend a shitload of cash on a legal challenge from west ham, something that could come back to bite them in the arse if one of the other relegated clubs (if west ham survive) decides to take legal action themselves.
tbh, i used to have a soft spot for the club but not after what's happened this season
tbh, i used to have a soft spot for the club but not after what's happened this season
London_Calling
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West Ham pleaded guilty/admitted the offences. Read up about it.revol68 said:
el-ahrairah
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when the new management found out the old management had done a wrong un they contacted the FA themselves. i mean, for fuck's sake, they held their hands up. the new management weren't responsible, it would be pretty harsh to sink them for the old management's shite behaviour. the fine is pretty grim, especially if they don't stay up.
but i will agree that there needs to be more consistency though.
but i will agree that there needs to be more consistency though.
London_Calling
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I'm not an expert, I just read a little.revol68 said:
kained&able
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Okay i will beacuse everyone else is getting ti salightly wrong.
We segally signed tevez and machereno on year long loans(possibly more as there is a weird clause that we get 100-200k if tevez fucks off in the summer or something, tis weird), they got international clearence and clearence from the fa and premeir league and were therefore legible to play in every game they played in and any game tevez plays in the last two for us. This is why we didn't need to re register tevez before the wigan game)
However, as part of the contract we signed with kia jackobsons company(who own thier registrations rather then corinthians) they could be shipped out of west ham in janruary for 2million. This breaks premier league rules on third parties(ie not club or player) having control over players contracts.
The three people who did the contracts were our ex cahirmen terrence brown, our then chief exeutive paul aldrige and our then legal secutery scott duxberry(i think thats his name anyway) who is now our chief executive the other two are no longer at the club. All three admit to either knowing or having suspicians that the contracts broke premier league rules.
Kia jackobson was meant to take over the club and thus none of this would have come to light as registarion would have been owned by the club and been totally okay(in a dishonest kinda way). This didn't happen though instead eggert magusson took over. Once eggert was chairmen we cooperated fully with the investigation(and infact i think brought it to thier attention).
Thats what i belive the situation to be anyway. I still have questions mainly regarding mascherino and him leaving us and quite how that was legal and how liverpool were allowed to sign him. Tevez never played illegally, never won us any points illegally so therefore we shouldn't have had a points deduction as his contract had no bearing on the results of any matches. He was a west ham player who had all the clearences.
To me this is one of the passport scandel things that happend a while ago(in italy as usuual!) and as far as i remmeber no one got points deducted for that.
dave
We segally signed tevez and machereno on year long loans(possibly more as there is a weird clause that we get 100-200k if tevez fucks off in the summer or something, tis weird), they got international clearence and clearence from the fa and premeir league and were therefore legible to play in every game they played in and any game tevez plays in the last two for us. This is why we didn't need to re register tevez before the wigan game)
However, as part of the contract we signed with kia jackobsons company(who own thier registrations rather then corinthians) they could be shipped out of west ham in janruary for 2million. This breaks premier league rules on third parties(ie not club or player) having control over players contracts.
The three people who did the contracts were our ex cahirmen terrence brown, our then chief exeutive paul aldrige and our then legal secutery scott duxberry(i think thats his name anyway) who is now our chief executive the other two are no longer at the club. All three admit to either knowing or having suspicians that the contracts broke premier league rules.
Kia jackobson was meant to take over the club and thus none of this would have come to light as registarion would have been owned by the club and been totally okay(in a dishonest kinda way). This didn't happen though instead eggert magusson took over. Once eggert was chairmen we cooperated fully with the investigation(and infact i think brought it to thier attention).
Thats what i belive the situation to be anyway. I still have questions mainly regarding mascherino and him leaving us and quite how that was legal and how liverpool were allowed to sign him. Tevez never played illegally, never won us any points illegally so therefore we shouldn't have had a points deduction as his contract had no bearing on the results of any matches. He was a west ham player who had all the clearences.
To me this is one of the passport scandel things that happend a while ago(in italy as usuual!) and as far as i remmeber no one got points deducted for that.
dave
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Sunray said:
agree with that...he could be the difference at the pool in the next couple of seasons...him and Gerrard could turn into the best midfield in England....saying that until people like Pennant and Crouch are being relied on the best midfield in the world is not going to change much
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Yes, it would be worth it.DRINK? said:As jewel said it's b*llocks....he could have played a player on the weekend who was suspended, not sure who it was...if it had got them the win and the punishment for fielding him was a fine it would have been worth it
K&A: Sorry mate but your post makes you sound like you're squirming and clutching at straws. Whether or not their contracts with West Ham were legal or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they were not elligible to play in the Premier League and doing so gained West Ham points in the league at the expense of other teams and they should have at the minimum those points taken away from them.
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Bonfirelight
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DRINK? said:As jewel said it's b*llocks....he could have played a player on the weekend who was suspended, not sure who it was...if it had got them the win and the punishment for fielding him was a fine it would have been worth it
Except Wigan would have gotten a points deduction because the player would have been ineligible, whereas Tevez was not.
Tevez having his contract owned by a third party is against Premiership rules and worth a fine, but doesn't make the player ineligable.
Its more comparable to, say, managers making certain comments about referees - against the rules and may bring about a fine, but will not cost a team points because it doesn't make the manager ineligable.
Apples and Oranges Mr Jewell.
