West Ham bans season ticket holders...for standing!
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No club (except barcelona) is in the possession of the people who support it. Jazz has made a valid point. Do you recall the fans who objected to Man Utd's takeover by the glaziers and returned their season tickets and started their own club. If supporters really felt that passionately about their club then supporter would become shareholders. This particular conversation has been done to death so I won't go over it.
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Because football is nothing like watching a film or being on a plane (?!)muser said:
People have always stood up at football. It's an exciting, passionate game and part of the experience is jumping up and down with joy, shouting, swearing and getting involved.
Punters have every right to complain when some fucking jobsworth turns up at their ground and starts telling them they should sit nice and quiet from now on.
Oh and you didn't answer my question: Would you prefer to be forced to sit in a seat - perhaps stuck next to some objectionable people and/or miles away from your friends - or would you like a section where you're free to walk around, meet your mates and stand with the people you choose?
muser said:
Brentford, Chesterfield, Stockport County, Rushden & Diamonds, York City, Exeter City, AFC Wimbledon,AFC Telford, Newport (IOW), Enfield Town, FC United of Manchester and Clydebank
Notts County's trust own 30.2% of the club and intend to buy a further 20.8% to give them the majority shareholding.
61 Supporters' Trusts hold equity in their football clubs.
39 of those have boardroom representation.
Shareholders United were shareholders in MUFC before Glazer bought so much of the club they were obliged to sell him their shares. Having helped found FCUM, they have now started the Phoenix Fund which will eventually hopefully allow them to buy back what is rightfully theirs.
tangerinedream
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It's a question really of intelligent management of the ground isn't it? If someone is in the West stand at Bloomfield (where everybody sits down all the time, never sings and lots of old people go) or the family corner, jumping up and down, shouting YOU FUCKING CUNT, WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT YOU FUCKING TWAT, BREAK HIS FUCKING LEGS SOUTHERN, THE FUCKING PUFF all the way through the game, I would support the club 'having a word' - If however, the club had the same word with the same fan in the Mortenson Kop, I would not support them, as, as there always has been, a choice of different places to watch the games from, and different atmospheres within different parts of the ground.
I accept that many Prem grounds are at capacity and you have to sit where the ticket dictates but that should be an argument for a return to standing, allowing greater capacities and a choice of experience.
I accept that many Prem grounds are at capacity and you have to sit where the ticket dictates but that should be an argument for a return to standing, allowing greater capacities and a choice of experience.
JTG said:
To some degree I'm playing devil's advocate, but the fact that you hold these irrational views makes me question them. When did I ever say don't try and change things. Do you have a local pub? Do you purchase anything, over 20 years does that make you a loyal patron, does it give you a say in how the business is run, who the directors should be? No.
If west ham's proprietors had listened to the fans two seasons ago then they would've sacked alan pardew.
p.s. I didn't realise brentwood was run by the supporters, and all those others mentioned. Barca was the first that sprung to mind.
tangerinedream
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muser said:
It's not the whole Taylor report I take issue with though, the way that it was hijacked to justify massive increases in prices is more of an issue. Taylor had a lot of relevant findings. I am, though nostalgic for crumbling 30's terraces, glad that grounds are much safer. I don't agree with Taylor's recomendation that standing be replaced, I do however agree that their was a problem with safety at football grounds.
The evidence of German football suggests clearly that modern terraces can be a part of a safe environmet to watch football. If each ground had a terracing area, then none of this ridiculous debate would need to happen. People wouldn't get chucked out for singing and standing up, more people would be able to fit into grounds, therefore prices could be lower.
For fucks sake, why are people allowed to stand in vast crowds at glastonbury and not in a football ground? I refuse to believe being in a terrace is any more dangerous than standing at gig or festival.
Hillsborough was caused by a combination of factors, not simply terracing. The attitude of those who should have been monitering safety, the attitude and incompetance of those in charge of the police, the fences that couldn't be opened and on and on.
To extend my above point, if leeds festival was as badly planned and managed as that awful day in 1989, then I would be willing to bet that a catostrophe would happen sooner or later. Would we then conclude that everyone had to sit on plastic chairs or would we accept that a music festival is what it is, and those who should have thought the different eventualities through and taken the right steps to ensure a large group of people were managed and the infrastructure able to cope should be brought to task.
The taylor report, masks a whole series of injustices that actually matter far more than whether people sit down or stand up at a football game imo. Perhaps those at Hillsborough would disagree and I respect their viewpoint more than I can actually suggest here, but that is my opinion.
tangerinedream
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muser said:
I will also point out that Bloomfield road is also all seater and the Mortenson Kop is a place where you sit. Block one of that is where everybody stands at the back, there is a drum and a load of lads who sing all the way through the game. In the rest of the stand, people stand sometimes and sit at others. Personally I wouldn't stand up for 90 minutes where I sit, but if I am excited and singing with everyone else, or (not that I do) trying to rouse the crowd and some one told me to sit down I'd tell them to fuck off. I've bought my ticket for a part of the ground i view as entitling me to that. I am a long time fan, I know the ground as does anyone else. If someone doesn't then tough shit. I've more right than them to do what I want providing I am not acting in a racist or similar way.
It's like someone taking a kid into the stand behind the goal and then complaining about language, there is a family stand you muppet, go and sit in it.
I wouldn't dream of standing up, for anything other than a goal or a brief shout in the other stand though.
tangerinedream
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JTG said:
muser is wierd, he argues this odd rhetoric of 'it's a business' then doesn't see that the 'consumers' (i.e. the supporters) have a right to a choice.
tangerinedream
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JTG said:that's because he is a confused SkySports Generation football noob
he didn't answer my question about going to games and standing up either.
tangerinedream said:he didn't answer my question about going to games and standing up either.
He seemed to be saying that Man U fans should have bought shares in MUFC rather than set up FCUM - when in actual fact many of them were shareholders who were obliged to sell their shares to Glazer once his holding passed a certain point.
He talks through his hat much and often on this here forum.
Still, who do you want to win the big Manchester derby tomorrow tange?
tangerinedream
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JTG said:
Rochdale v Bury or Notlob v Wigan?
If it's the latter, I want Notlob
if the former, couldn't care less to be honest, at gun point, Rochdale
if it's a third game I havn't heard of then what is it?
tangerinedream
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JTG said:I started a thread on it you uncaring bastard
I am such an egotist I have been surfing the threads I have posted on only through the subscription thing...
Hang on....
tangerinedream
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JTG said:I started a thread on it you uncaring bastard
Maine Road for sure. I loathe* FCUM on principle. Except if they were playing the real Utd.
(*though I do admire them at the same time)
