West Bank: Ethnic cleansing by stealth.

[moono]

The UN says travel restrictions in the West Bank have increased dramatically in the last year, with the de facto division of the territory into three main sections and several enclaves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5032856.stm

More ethnic cleansing under the guise of 'security'.

 

[moono]

Lol ! Here's one ethnic cleansing ploy they'll have to drop;

The High Court of Justice ruled Monday that the government and Israel Defense Forces must act to ensure the safety of Palestinian farmers working their fields and to prevent settlers from harming their land, property or persons.

The High Court ruled on a petition submitted by the residents of five Palestinians villages protesting an IDF decision to keep them from reaching their fields in an effort to protect them from settler attacks.

Justices Dorit Beinisch, Eliezer Rivlin and Salim Joubran said that preventing the farmers from reaching their lands with the aim of ensuring the safety of the settlers could be justified, but preventing access in order to ensure the safety of the Palestinians themselves is not.



The move, the court deemed, "is extremely unfair and represents a severe violation of basic rights through the surrender to violence and criminal acts. A policy that prevents Palestinian residents from reaching lands belonging to them, in the name of their own defense, is like a policy forbidding someone from entering his home in order to protect him from a thief."

The justices also sharply criticized the lack of law enforcement toward settlers in the Palestinian territories.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/731503.html

How would you describe a policy which prevents Palestinian residents from reaching lands belonging to them in the name of Israelis defense ?
Laugh.




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[rachamim18]

Moono: "LAUGH." Would you be laughing if your family were in danger
of being annihilated and a simple "Barrier" offered almost 100 percent protection from it?

 

[moono]

Don't whine to me about your personal discomforts, liarboy. The post demands an explanation as to the weak logic of the High Court ruling, not your bleating about the repercussions of being a thief.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: "Being a thief." Since Israel is vacating the "West Bank" in less than 2 years, how are Israelis thieves?

 

[moono]

Only a return to the pre-1967 borders will suffice. That's the first point of negotiation. The Zionists have no intention of giving up stolen land. That makes them thieves.

 

[moono]

For the first time since 1967, Israel is preventing the entry of Palestinians with foreign citizenship, most of them Americans, who are arriving from abroad, but have lived and worked for years in the West Bank. According to a growing number of accounts from West Bank residents, petitions to the High Court of Justice and monitoring by Haaretz, the number of those barred from entering Israel en route to the territories has been steadily rising since April 2006.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/736349.html

More ethnic cleansing, slow and surreptitious. See you, Jimmy.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: It offered a return to 67 Borders in 93. "Palestinians" did not want it. Accept reality.

As to your second post. You might want to make youself aware of a little heard dynamic in play since 93 where 300,000 Arabs from surrounding nations had availed themselves to cheaply purchased PA ID cards via bakhsheesh.

 

[moono]

Rachamim, it's not a matter of the Zionist's 'offering' a return to the pre-1967 borders, the international community insists.

 

[moono]

Offer of Subsidies by Israeli Government for Industry Relocation to Occupied West Bank


The following is a translation of an official Israeli Government Notice published in Hebrew in Haaretz on July 9, 2006 describing a 32% increase in subsidies for Israeli industry that are willing to relocate to the Occupied West Bank and employing only Israeli citizens........................

http://www.imemc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19947&Itemid=1

 

[moono]

Jewish members of the Israeli Knesset calling for the mass resignation of Arab MPs
Palestine News Network - Monday, 10 July 2006, 14:21


In an unprecedented step, Palestinian members of the Israeli Knesset are being asked to resign collectively. Hussein Al Arvaian, President of the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages in the Negev Desert said Monday that this move on the part of Jewish members of Israeli Parliament illustrates the “ethnic democracy” of the Israeli state.


The amount of racism inside Israeli borders is atrocious as that inside the West Bank, occupied Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, as stated by Al Arvaian.

http://www.imemc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19922&Itemid=1


Ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Two failings that I would never have associated with Judaism.

 

[ZAMB]

Ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Two failings that I would never have associated with Judaism.

Add homophopia - a gay friend of mine sent me this story today

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/07/071106jerusalem.htm

 

[Joe]

Add homophopia - a gay friend of mine sent me this story today

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/07/071106jerusalem.htm

Although the leaflets were dropped in mea shearim those that live within the neighbourhood suggest it is a publicity stunt carried out by the organisers of the parade to discredit the most vociferous anti-gay pride march protesters.

I personally think its a bit offside holding a gay pride march in Jerusalem, why not Tel Aviv or a less sensitive city?

 

[Joe]

http://www.imemc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19922&Itemid=1


Ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Two failings that I would never have associated with Judaism.

What the fuck are you talking about?!?!?

Since when does Zionism equate to Judaism?!?!?!? Israel is a secular state, Judaism is a religion... Haredi groups like Satmar and Neturei Karta are openly opposed to the state of Israel.

 

[moono]

Joe;

Israel is a secular state

Israel is a democracy for jews, according to Israeli Arabs.

 

[Joe]

Joe;


Israel is a democracy for jews, according to Israeli Arabs.

Are you an Israeli Arab? Do you represent Israeli Arabs? Do you even know any Israeli Arabs?

You have neither the knowledge nor background to make such brash claims.

But lets step back into the real world; Israel is a Jewish state therefore by definition it has the interests of global Jewry at heart.

For 1500 years Jews throughout the world attempted to assimilate into foreign cultures only to be castrated from those societies, the Jews weren't segregated from society by choice - they were forced out by the sword.

The establishment of a Jewish state was inevitable; to expect a Jewish state not to have the interests of Jews at its heart is insane.

But do not confuse this objective with an apartheid regime, gentiles weren't subject to the same horrors the Jews had faced in Muslim and Occidental lands - quite the opposite - in correlation with Jewish values the gentiles were given equal status; there was no Dhimmi tax, no gas chambers, no ghetto's.... Gentiles have access to the same opportunities as Jews.

In Israel you are an Israeli first and everything else second.

 

[moono]

Joe;

Are you an Israeli Arab? Do you represent Israeli Arabs? Do you even know any Israeli Arabs?

I had an iffy kebab once.

In Israel you are an Israeli first and everything else second.

Not according to reports. Take another look at Post #191.

 

[Joe]

Joe;


I had an iffy kebab once.




Not according to reports. Take another look at Post #191.

he defined himself as a Palestinian members of the Knesset... If you have the interests of a nation at war with Israel a position in the Knesset could be deemed dangerous to national security.

 

[nino_savatte]

What the fuck are you talking about?!?!?

Since when does Zionism equate to Judaism?!?!?!? Israel is a secular state, Judaism is a religion... Haredi groups like Satmar and Neturei Karta are openly opposed to the state of Israel.

Really? Capital punishment is also forbidden under Jewish law. Zionism is nothing without Jews - is it?

 

[phildwyer]

Really? Capital punishment is also forbidden under Jewish law.

Utter bullshit. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. What "Jewish law" forbids capital punishment, Nino?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Utter bullshit. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. What "Jewish law" forbids capital punishment, Nino?

That'd be the bit of the Torah were Moses receives G-d's laws, phil. ANY murder is forbidden us, although it doesn't stop us doing it.

But of course, being a picayune pissant of the first water you'll insist that you have evidence presented you that capital pubishment specifically is banned, won't you?

 

[Joe]

That'd be the bit of the Torah were Moses receives G-d's laws, phil. ANY murder is forbidden us, although it doesn't stop us doing it.

But of course, being a picayune pissant of the first water you'll insist that you have evidence presented you that capital pubishment specifically is banned, won't you?

The Torah clearly supports the death penalty although the Talmud creates plenty of obstacles for supporters of the death penalty.

 

[Joe]

Really? Capital punishment is also forbidden under Jewish law. Zionism is nothing without Jews - is it?

But what does that have to do with Judiasm?

Zionism is a secular movement.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Torah clearly supports the death penalty although the Talmud creates plenty of obstacles for supporters of the death penalty.

The death penalty for what though?

That's the interesting bit.

My point being that it supports death for a few specific transgressions (which mostly wouldn't pass muster in the modern world) but is strongly against murder per se[/I], "judicial" or not.

 

[Joe]

The death penalty for what though?

That's the interesting bit.

My point being that it supports death for a few specific transgressions (which mostly wouldn't pass muster in the modern world) but is strongly against murder per se[/I], "judicial" or not.

But nino never mentioned murder he mentioned capital punishment... You mentioned murder

 

[phildwyer]

But nino never mentioned murder he mentioned capital punishment... You mentioned murder

This is what Nino said, verbatim:

Really? Capital punishment is also forbidden under Jewish law. Zionism is nothing without Jews - is it?

Obviously his claim is 100% wrong. Diametrically oppposed to the truth, in fact. Wholly erroneous. Profoundly mistaken. We can judge his other opinions by his nutty readiness to come out with such nonsense, apparently not caring in the slightest that he will immediately be refuted.