West Bank: Ethnic cleansing by stealth.

[ViolentPanda]

Lol. Humanitarian law is international, yam. The Geneva Conventions are international.
I do apologise for persisting in interposing the law between you and your piracy. It must be very frustrating, particularly when you're looking forward so much to ethnically cleansing Palestine. Heigh ho.

Not that he'd ever have a pair big enough to try and do the cleansing personally. That boy would never risk his lardy fundament if he can find someone else to do it for him.
He's more the "vicarious thrills" type, watching it all on his screen. That way he's left with one hand free...

 

[mears]

Of course not. I'm just relaying the absolute minimum requirements of Hamas, public knowledge. The pre-1967 borders are the first acceptable negotiating point, from their viewpoint. That position is supported internationally. If the Americans say 'forget the international position and we'll back the theft of a chunk of West Bank', well, everybody is aware of where that is going to lead. It simply isn't worth it to anybody except illegal settlers and Zionist estate agents. You want perpetual war over them ? I certainly don't.

I believe that Hamas have actually stated that there will be a ten year ceasefire if Israel agrees to retreat to the pre-1967 lines. So, ten years of peace in return for complying with international law. Can't be bad.
Except for illegal settlers and Zionist estate agents, naturally.

Hamas is now in power. The can't critique from the sidelines. An advantage of being powerless is you are not responsible for anything. Hamas will now be responsible for policy and implementing policy.

And Hamas will face election again some day. If rank and file Palestinians don't see improvement in their daily lives it could cost Hamas in future elections. Ain't democracy grand!

Once people get in power they tend to like it. To stay in power they might have to moderate their stance on certain issues to capture the vote of moderate, secular Palestinians.

They are already acting like a political party trying to serve all. Suggesting peace with Israel is a de facto affirmation of the legitimacy of the Israeli nation without coming right out and stating it. A bone thrown to moderate Palestinians. But just 10 years of peace mind you to placate those hardline Paelstinians who will never acknowlede Israel.

All politicians promise things in elections and mysteriously change their viewpoints after winning. And Hamas is acting like any political party.

 

[rogue yam]

But just 10 years of peace mind you to placate those hardline Paelstinians who will never acknowlede Israel.

Ten years of cease-fire is not peace and Israel will never accept it as such.

So what if someone comes over to your house and says "I'm going to kill you, but if you give me $1000, I'll go away now and come back tomorrow and kill you then." Do you give them the $1000? Only if you have no other options, and even then you get busy creating other options as soon as they leave. You simply know that one day they will return with a demand you can't meet and then try to kill you. So why weaken yourself in the meantime?

The only mystery in this is why people like moono accept Hamas' position as reasonable. If he doesn't want to see Israel destroyed, I can't think of any other reason.

 

[rachamim18]

Diningenuous initial post....

Moono: The World Court did NOT rule that the "Barrier "Should be torn down." It merely issued an Advisory Opinion [i.e. a Brief] and even then it was not unanimous.

There has never been a "Palestinian" nation and there does not presently exist formal or stated borders of any envisioned "Palestinian" nation. Ergo, how can the "Barrier" be encroaching on "Palestinian" land?

How can the "Barrier" be a war crime when the land its built on was formally reneged by its "legal" nation, Jordan?

The Israeli courts did not "recently rule that the 'Barrier' was political and not a security measure." t did however [akso] issue a brief stating that the course of the "Barrier" IN SOME PLACES ran according to political concerns as opposed to strictly security concerns in itspost Green Line course.


PLEASE: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP ISSUING OPINION AS FACT.


[edited for speling]

 

[moono]

PLEASE: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP ISSUING OPINION AS FACT.

What I've said in relation to this is fact, not opinion. It's your refusal to accept fact that leads you to believe it's opinion.

No World Court judgement ?

No Palestine ?

No Palestinians ?

No political motive for Sharon's Stockade ?

You're getting worse, rachamim. Your delusions are overtaking your realities.

 

[rachamim18]

Next invective

Tangent: Yes, those wily Zionist undercover agents had to use bombs and tricks to convince Jews living in Arab lands to move [back] to Israel because we all know hopw Jews from Arab lands [such as my family] always had such a carefree existence there.

If we were not being emasculated in Yemen, upon fear of death, we were being raped, physically and emotionally abused since pre-Islamic days....Of course you could not find us in some Arab nations like Arabia, UAE, etc. because we were prohibited from even stepping foot on their hallowed soil uponpain of death [and still are] yet bleeding herts such as yourself never see a problem with any ofthat.

Did Zionists ever set bombs, etc. in Arab lands? MOST DEFINITELY. Not to encourage Jewish emmigration though. WE can talk of those other reasons if you'd like but let's try to get the facts straight here first.

More inaacuracies: Jews do not [only] constitute "another religion," they are aa nation apart. They have been treated as such by Arabs since before Islam.

"Mirachi Jews were shown bias because they shared old surnames with non-Jewish Arabs." WHAT? NONSENSE. There was a deal of bias against non-Ashkenazi Jews. Why? Because most Ashkenazi were beter educated in secualr subjects AND were the founding Zionists. As with any status quo, power seeks to preerve power.

In fact, obviously you have very little knowledge of Jewish culture [although you seeem to be doing your darndest to seem authoritative] since it is Sephardim and Mizrachim who look down their collective noses at Ashkenazim
Ashkenaz culture is but a thousand years old, compared to Sepahardi which is 2000 and Mizrachi which is 4000.

As far as surnames, Semitic people did not use surnames per se until thelast 150 400 years. Ashkenaz Semits did not use them until 150 years ago. YOur comment makes no sense.

"How was it for Jews in Egypt after the 'Lavon Affair'?" Probably less stringent than it was for the 800 killed and countless raped when Israel was reestablished in 48 but of course that would not occurr to you cause it doesnt serve your anti-Zionist rhetoric.


What does American Evangelical fantasylife have to do with anything here save another healf -hearted attempt to disparage Jews and Zionists in general.


Moono: Quite right that "existing laws and treaties" COULD [possibly] solve the many problems facing the region IF BOTH a willing partner for peace were found [for Israel] AND an IMPARTIAL body could be had that would oversee the processes needed.

How does one account for the disappearance of International Law? Firts of all, no such thing has happned. There is a very good reason why no case has ever even been iniated at the Hague: BECAUSE NOT EVEN THE ARABS CAN THINK OF ANY LAW THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN. All the blathering going on is merely propaganda.

Cemerty: BRAVO! Because one has never heard the accusation that the Jews are treating Arabs as they themselves had been treated by the Nazis!!!!! Listen Mrs. Arshawi, the day Israelis start tattooing Arab babies and gassing them, you can spew your expletive laden nonsense with a modicum of logic. Until then, try to behave like the adult you supposedly are. Gee....

 

[rachamim18]

More...

Cemerty: How is the right of the Jewish people it fuuly determine their own future in their ancestral homeland a " a land based on the hatred of others?" Unlike Arabia, etc. Israel offers full and equal rights to people of all races, religions, and creeds. Seems you have confused your nations again. This is a thread devoted to Israel, not Saudi Arabia!

So now you accept Israel's"Right to Exist?" That is truly news to me but welcome none the less as at least a step in what I see asthe right direction.
Even if most fundamentalist Jews were from America, and they deinfitely are NOT, they would still have a connection to Israel in that they are almost all descended from the original Jews that loved there before the
Roman Exile. This applies to 96% of world Jewry.

You say in one breath that you support Israeli's "Right to Exist" but then turn around and call Israel's resetablishing Jews "Thieves in the f%^&ing night." Hmmmm...Mo hypocrisy there!

As for the land's "native peoples," guess what? Jews,and oinly Jews [among existing groups] are the native people of THAT land! As for "basing [Israel's reestablishment] on a little book," religiopn had no part whatsoever in Zionist ideas and principles and in fact, Israel's reestablishing Jews were almost totally fully comitted Socialists who eschewed any and all religion as nothing but a figurative shackle.

Israel's premise was and remains the right and responsability of the Jewish People to fully determine their own future and to so on their tradtional, ancestral homeland.

So now allpeople who logically speak of Israel's "Right to Exist" and its right to do so within secure borders are "Right wing Americans?" The idea is very humurous.

Moono:On International Law "only baing valid when it is on the side of Israel, " Israe has NEVER been CHARGED with violating ANY International Law. Guess that poo poos your notion of Israel as a "renegade state."

Tangent: As far as Israel's "Peace Movement" [i.e. defeat of Zionism movement with no peace at all], all nations have perpetural adolescents who seek to rebel against any and al status quos. Professional whiners excepted, Israel is a sterling example of democracy at its finest [and worst]. As in all democraies opposition isallowed free reign within modest parameters. Gush Shalom like other blocs and groups is a small and inconsequential group in Israel. They have no power whatsoever and a tiny membership.

 

[ViolentPanda]

PLEASE: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP ISSUING OPINION AS FACT.

Quoted for posterity.

You having the gall to make a request like that is hilarious. I suggest that any poster with an interest in comedy checks out your old posts and see just how often you purveyed opinion as fact.

Pretty often, as I recall.

 

[JoePolitix]

Violent Palestinian resitance has given nothing but poverty to the Palestinian people.

The recent Intifada (like the 1987 one) has brought the plight of the Palestinians back into the media spot light and has forced Israel to make consessions.

 

[moono]

The Fat Assassin has used the intifada to further his Zionist ideals. There is a lot more publicity now than then and that particular ploy is becoming well known.

rachamim;

There is a very good reason why no case has ever even been iniated at the Hague: BECAUSE NOT EVEN THE ARABS CAN THINK OF ANY LAW THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN. All the blathering going on is merely propaganda.

Moono:On International Law "only baing valid when it is on the side of Israel, " Israe has NEVER been CHARGED with violating ANY International Law. Guess that poo poos your notion of Israel as a "renegade state."

You should know the story of how Sharon has avoided prosecution as a war criminal to date ? He has been indicted in the past. Leaders are charged as war criminals, not States. Other Israelis, accused of war crimes, are being apprehended and charged when they leave Israel. Any blathering is your own.

UN Resolutions raised to attempt to halt Israel breaking international law have been vetoed by the Americans. 32 times. That's more than all the vetoes of all the other SC members put together. Israel is a renegade State, a renegade State hiding behind the disparities of the UN. It is technically possible for America to prevent all accusations against Israel, but it is not morally possible. The time will come when the activities of the Israel Lobby are more widely known. Americans aren't stupid; they have been deceived.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Fat Assassin has used the intifada to further his Zionist ideals. There is a lot more publicity now than then and that particular ploy is becoming well known.

No need to use the present tense for Sharon. He's history.

 

[rogue yam]

Other Israelis, accused of war crimes, are being apprehended and charged when they leave Israel.

Really? Like who?

 

[moono]

Really? Like who?

I just love it when the swords of truth hit the right targets.

Sharon would have been tried if he'd been caught. He's in a better prison now.

The former head of Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip has told how he dodged arrest on war crimes charges after receiving a tip-off at Heathrow. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4237620.stm

Almog is not the only Israeli implicated in that bombing incident. Yesh Gvul, a broad movement of Israeli soldiers who refuse to serve in the occupied territories, is involved in another complaint filed in the UK against then-Air Force commander Dan Halutz for his role in the bombing, according to a report by the Israeli daily Ha'aretz. Halutz has since been promoted to IDF Chief of Staff.

Former Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon has also been advised to avoid the UK, as courts will likely issue arrest warrants similar to that of Almog's, Israeli papers report. http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=1581

I've said before, Simon Wiesenthal taught us a lot.

 

[rogue yam]

Other Israelis, accused of war crimes, are being apprehended and charged when they leave Israel.

I just love it when the swords of truth hit the right targets.

"Sword of truth"? Puh-leeze! More like "bucket of bullshit". By your own admission no one has been arrested!

 

[cemertyone]

Ten years of cease-fire is not peace and Israel will never accept it as such.

So what if someone comes over to your house and says "I'm going to kill you, but if you give me $1000, I'll go away now and come back tomorrow and kill you then." Do you give them the $1000? .

This gezzer kills me ...he`s such a smuck. and for some one who likes to rely on logic..here`s different prespective...
" So what if some ideological driven Yankee settler religious scum come to your Pal house ( in a country they where not even born into) and tell you that because of some little silly religious book YOUR house and land actually belong to them..because THEIR gods says so"......don`t you love this guy.
Im guessing your not an israeli but i`m 100% sure your a zionist who agrees with the settler filths right to steal other peoples property and lands....because the messiah give you permission.....sounds like your not much different from the islamic fundamentals you claim to abhore...

 

[moono]

Yam;

"Sword of truth"? Puh-leeze! More like "bucket of bullshit". By your own admission no one has been arrested!

I didn't use the past tense, you've assumed it. Your head is in your own bucket. It's an ongoing process. They'll be charged as soon as they're apprehended. When they come out from behind their wall.

 

[rogue yam]

This gezzer kills me ...he`s such a smuck. and for some one who likes to rely on logic..here`s different prespective...
" So what if some ideological driven Yankee settler religious scum come to your Pal house ( in a country they where not even born into) and tell you that because of some little silly religious book YOUR house and land actually belong to them..because THEIR gods says so"......don`t you love this guy.
Im guessing your not an israeli but i`m 100% sure your a zionist who agrees with the settler filths right to steal other peoples property and lands....because the messiah give you permission.....sounds like your not much different from the islamic fundamentals you claim to abhore...

Well, it's no surprise that a depraved, murdering scumbag such as yourself would write like crap. But if I've interpreted this deranged screed correctly, you are claiming that I have supported the eviction of Palestinians from their homes to make way for zionist immigrants from the US. You lie. I have done no such thing.

 

[rachamim18]

Anoher day....

Moono: As for your conspiracy of the American UN Security Council veto being an Israeli tool, and part of some conspiracy, you have the whole dynamic backwards and a conspiracy suggests something below board. America is quite transparent and makes no bones about it however hard that might be for you to swallow.

"Israelis are ultimately responsible for the entire 'Palestinian' refugee problem..." Well, when you consider that over 90% of "Palestinians alive in 1948, and who left their homes permanantly did so by their own volition...and that this was often done at the urging of their own so called "leaders," it seems your claim is very shoddy indeed.

"Their inferior treatment in host countries is irrelevant when Israel is ultimately responsbile for their being refugees to begin with." and "The refugess problem would cease if Israel only obeyed International Law." :International Law only covers thosepeople alive during 1948, not their descendants. Even then, it only covers those that held true claim to the land and guess what? Virtually NONE did. When one realises that a good many people now calling themselves "Palestinian" were in fact first or second generation residents of the area in question, and that their roots are in the nations now housing them as refugees, the issue takes on a different facet. Their inferior treatment by "host" nations is espeically heinous.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Moono: As for your conspiracy of the American UN Security Council veto being an Israeli tool, and part of some conspiracy, you have the whole dynamic backwards and a conspiracy suggests something below board. America is quite transparent and makes no bones about it however hard that might be for you to swallow.

"Israelis are ultimately responsible for the entire 'Palestinian' refugee problem..." Well, when you consider that over 90% of "Palestinians alive in 1948, and who left their homes permanantly did so by their own volition...and that this was often done at the urging of their own so called "leaders," it seems your claim is very shoddy indeed.
.

Ah, the same shoddy old Rachamim facts.

98% left by their own volition, eh?

That'd depend entirely on how you define "volition". I'm willing to bet your definition is a lot looser than anyone who actually has two eyes in their head.

What makes you think you can get away with trying to spread the same dross as you got your arse kicked for last time you graced the board with your presence?

 

[rachamim18]

Knick knack...

Moono: "Neutrals are generally closet Zionists." The problem with somepeople is that they immaturely see things as either black or white. Life rarely, if ever, runs according to this rationale. People with no personal stake in the issue can easily be truly neutral. Others, with no personal stake in it [like you for example], have their own reasons for becomin rabib armchair experts As for comparing records" of the Israelis and the "Palestinians," unless its the respective body counts, the Israelis come out shining. And, if one digs below the surface, the bodycount disparity is quickly disspelled.


As I haven't had the pleasure of posting regualrly as of late,perhaps you might humor me and offer a synopsis of the supposed "takeover" of a "Palestinian" jail by Israelis. You claimed to have "seen " this? May I ask, when were you last in the land in question? Indeed, there is a reason formy request so please humor me with the requested answers. Thanks in advance.


Zamb: Your article on the problem of semantics is certainly a worthy subject. However, contrary to your opinion, the reporte in question is entirely wrong. Words like "Colony" were not rejected because of complaints from the readership but because they are inaccurate and bespeak a lack of objectivity. Colony has one connotation, settlement another. Neither one is actualy correct however since the land in question was Jewish for thousands of years before the first Arab stepped into history.

Let's look at the word "occupied" as a prime example, and in fact it too received the attention of your incensed author. To "occupy" land, one nation must lay claim to the land of another nation. In this case, the only nation to have EVER existed on either Gaza OR the so called "West Bank" was a Jewish nation. Therefore, Israel is being accused of "occupying" its own peoples' land!!!

When it is suggested that instead of "occupied," the land in question instead be referred to as "disputed," it is not only entirely reasonable but extremely accurate. It is not "occupied" as shown by the preceeding paragraph. Never the less, no matter your side of the issue, the land in question IS "disputed." So then, why would the author find himself peeved at the use of the word "disputed?" Simply because the reporter has an axe to grind...and this is extremely poor journalism. This in fact is the REAL problem in Middle -East reporting; Partisan reporters offering THEIR takes on the issues, not the objective reporting of facts.

 

[rachamim18]

Are Jews cheap?

Moono: I was pleased to see you include the folowing: " The Zionist extremists and their bankers" in a post having nothing at all to do with money. Everyone is entiteled to their own inherent bias, but please, for your own sake, if you ever hope to be taken seriously, lerave the piss and vinegar at the rally and stick to facts.

In referring to the Partition, you refer to the Arabs refusal of statehoos as irrelevant [to the issue] and then label Israel a "synthetic" state. While even reading that requires a rational person to suspend most belief, I would like to pose yet another question: Which Middle -Eastern states do you NOT consider synthetic?

On "D'Amato's Paper," it is so full of holes it would require a trhread on its won to intelligently discuss. I will simply adress the one point you chose to raise in your post discussing the paper: The UN has no power whatsoever to reset any borders of an existing sovereign state. This is so basic as to hardly warrant a mentioning. 60 years after the fact is not going to cut it, in life or in law. If the Arabs continue to refuse neogitation, as they have consistently done since 1919, they will lose even more of their incredbily shrinking "homeland."

Furthermore, D'mato himself, while a brillant jurist within his narrow scope, is not an experton International Law, nor is he an expert [or even paticularly knowledgeable as he himself admits] on the dynamic of the region or two peoples in question. The paper is interesting but entirely offtrack. Why use it then? Clearly, desperate for anything that even seems to remotely shore up their leakey boat of an opinion, people that blindly support any cause will then use ANYTHING by ANYONE.

Sadly Moono, being a " human rights lawyer" does not imbue one with any greater veracity or nobility of character. Therefore, how could you ever assume that just because one practices that scope of law that they would be above the fray of partisanship and holeir than thou objective? I am interested in your rationale.

 

[rachamim18]

Zzzzzz...

Moono: Your doubting that Olmert would be willing to give up "illegal WB Settlements" because of their expense again smacks of racism but no need for me to dissect it. Simply revisit last week's newsfeeds to see your mistake. If you closely followed the subject at all you would know that Sharon's government had already begun disassembling illegal Israeli outposts and arresting any dissenters in the so called "West Bank" [and no, not all Israeli villages and encamoments are illegal].

Your claim that HAMAS' baseline in negotiations with Israel are the pre-67 borders andthat this is common knowledge is utterly ridiculous. Try reading the HAMAS mission statement and Charter. HAMAS thoroughly rejects all negotiations with any Zionist entity and condemns not only Zionists and Israelis in general to death bur world Jewry as well.

As to yuor belief that HAMAS has declared that there "would be a 10 year cease fire if srael withdrew to its pre-67 borders," WRONG.

"Technically Israel has not ratified its UN membership because it failed to abide by Res. # 194 and this is at least one reason why it does not have to be recognised." WHAT? HAHAHA. QUESTION: IS 194 BINDING?

"No country is expected to renounce the use of violence." First off, HAMAS is NOT a country. The PA is NOT a country. The PA Territorise are NOT a country. Furthermore, ALL countries ARE expected to renounce violence TOWARDS UNARMED NON_COMBTATANTS [as a course of deliberate action].

As towards the PA's commitment to Oslo being "illegal" [again a stifeled laugh], your belief is wrong in so much that the PA was not a national government and the PA Territories were not part of any nation.Again, you failed to be coherent.


So Israel's stated prerequisite that HAMAS first renounce violence as a strategy AND recognise Israel's "Right to Exist" is "arrogant poppycock?" HAHAHA! Right, because expecting that infants wont have their brains leak through their nostrils after "a committed freedom fighter" decides to blow himself up in Sbarros is poppycok.


Now...

Is there, or has there ever been an Aran nation named "Palestine?" NOPE, NEVER.

Prior to 1948, was there EVER an Arab people known as the "Palestinians?" NOPE, NEVER.

Was there ever a Hague ruling againt Israel? NOPE,NEVER.

"Was the 'Barrier' constructed with politicalmotives in mind? IRRELEVANT when it has provento have reduce armed attacks from areas bordered by it by moire than 88%.

 

[rachamim18]

Cant resist wrestling with a Panda..."

Panda: I must have missed your ad hominems in place of objective fact because here I am yet again. Still, please do humor us since you seem to have raised a challenge. Feel free to provide a single one of my old [or new] posts that supplied opinion as fact. Then, after failing to do so, take it to heart and live by it...

"If you are going to quote my figures, at least have the character to get it right." For the record, refugee is not legaly definied as one who CHOOSES to leave ones home because a mukhtar tells him to. A refugee is not one who chooses to leave one's home because he hatesjews, etc. Some actually WERE refugees but when they recieved monetary payouts under the suspices of the UN oin the early 50s, they too failed to meet the legal definition. Reality sucks, dont it?

For the record, what are you talking about when you speak of "arse's getting kicked?" Sorry motherhen but I was in Asia before returning home for my Reserve Duty. I did not know it was such a boon to your apparently fragile ego or I might have desisted from posting even longer...Oh well, daddy's home so get used to it...
Joe: While you may think that the Intifadehs focred the "plight" of the "Palestinians" into the forefront of the collective world consciousness and forced Israel to make concessions, you are merely displaying a failure to understand even the basics of a very complex dynamic. All that the violence of the Intifadehs has done is squander yet an even greater share of the "Palestinian's" inheritance. Please list a single concession that the vioknce has forced out of Israel. In fact, it's the direct opposite.

Moono: "Other Israelis, accused of war crimes are being arrested as they leave Israel." Actually, that has only happnedone timeto oneperson and the case was apoliticallymotivated farce...GUESS WHERE? JOLLY OL' ENGLAND!!!! What a joke. Just like the charges, the case has floundered. What a cutie that old tart Livingstone!

Speaking of tarts...How is the veto by a bonafide member of the UN Sec. Council leaving Israel a "renegade state." Are you saying that a nation must receive unanimous decisons of the Sec. Council?

 

[ZAMB]

When you say

International Law only covers thosepeople alive during 1948, not their descendants.

when talking about the palestinian people, and then say

the land in question was Jewish for thousands of years before the first Arab stepped into history.

it is obvious that you have double standards on land ownership, one for the Jews and one for the Palestinians.

Could you at least try to be consistent??

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: I must have missed your ad hominems in place of objective fact because here I am yet again. Still, please do humor us since you seem to have raised a challenge. Feel free to provide a single one of my old [or new] posts that supplied opinion as fact. Then, after failing to do so, take it to heart and live by it...

Well, we could use the thread where you asserted the opinion that Alan Dershowitz's scholarship was non-plagiaristic in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

"If you are going to quote my figures, at least have the character to get it right." For the record, refugee is not legaly definied as one who CHOOSES to leave ones home because a mukhtar tells him to. A refugee is not one who chooses to leave one's home because he hatesjews, etc. Some actually WERE refugees but when they recieved monetary payouts under the suspices of the UN oin the early 50s, they too failed to meet the legal definition. Reality sucks, dont it?

Only for you.
A refugee is defined as someone who flees their homeland due to fear of imminent danger and persecution, that's not opinion btw, that's the 10951 UN convention on the status of refugees, and many of the Palestinians fell within that definition.

For the record, what are you talking about when you speak of "arse's getting kicked?" Sorry motherhen but I was in Asia before returning home for my Reserve Duty. I did not know it was such a boon to your apparently fragile ego or I might have desisted from posting even longer...Oh well, daddy's home so get used to it...

Pathetic. Your arse got kicked here regularly by most people who cared to take a turn, it's hardly difficult when you have such great difficulty separating your own narrativisation of history from historical facts. Just because you believe that something should be just so doesn't make it so, unless you reside in the land of Oz.
As for "Daddy's home", don't flatter yourself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

When you say

when talking about the palestinian people, and then say

it is obvious that you have double standards on land ownership, one for the Jews and one for the Palestinians.

Could you at least try to be consistent??

You're asking for too much there, I'm afraid.

 

[moono]

vp;

Ah, the same shoddy old Rachamim facts.

Disappointing, isn't it. After the lengths I went to educating him previously he's reverted to type. Heigh ho.

 

[ViolentPanda]

vp;


Disappointing, isn't it. After the lengths I went to educating him previously he's reverted to type. Heigh ho.

On the "Harvard" thread you quantified Zionists as "100% territorial opportunists". I'd argue that your analysis applies to Rachamim"cheap housing"18 as well. He reverts to type because the pathetic "empty land" arguments suit his nature as well as his ideology.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The separation barrier, 'Sharon's Stockade' is illegal. Despite a ruling by the International Court of Justice that it be torn down, the Zionist extremists of the Israeli government continue to build it with impunity. The territory upon which the wall is built is Palestinian territory and the building of the wall constitutes a war crime. Ethnic cleansing is illegal in itself. The Israeli government, during a recent court hearing, admitted that the wall was political. Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed under the guise of security concerns. It is ethnic cleansing by stealth.

And the murdering filth that is Hamas, when can we expect them to stand trial for their breaches of the Geneva Convention? Or is slaughtering innocent civillians in Tel Aviv a justifiable act of war in your warped view?

 

[moono]

You're simply a rabble rouser. Cornered animals will bite you. Fortunately, the Zionist propaganda machine ain't what it was.

Twenty-six Palestinians killed this month so far. More to come, no doubt.