WEP - Dump it NOW

[Pingu]

Christ, mate, it'd have to be fucking super top secret for someone to try and steal data from your ethernet cable! And there are fibre tappers these days too, you know.

yeah but if someone is going to tap a fibre connection then lets face it its not going to be your porn stash they are after so you would have other stuff in place too.

the ONLY way I know of to secure a PC fully is to... not use it

*checks date*

One banks online banking system I worked with stored the passcode info in memory and then wiped it once you logged off.... great until a machine with fuck all memory logged on and used a swap file to store the data...unencrypted. They near shat themselves when i demoed this to them and then i showed them it on a good machine using a memory space reader. the online banking system was offline for a week while it was fixed

oh and you will love this

the password for another UK banks cyrpto servers admin account was...

changeme. it had never been changed from the default one when the machine was supplied. I found this out as the sysadmin died and he was the only one (they thought) with admin access to the amchine and it being NT4 (then) it took all of about an hour with L0phtcrack to grab the password from the .sam file. again they were mortified when this came to light. Some of the work I did for NATO on secure comms could probably be broken these days by a script kiddie with access to google but in them days it was considered uber secure*

security is only as strong as the weakest point in any system.


* goes all starry eyed at the early days when it was all new and all you needed was a sniffer and l0hphtcrack for people to think you were an ubergeek...and token ring networks fooled kiddies who thought the world was ethernet

 

[Radar]

Will be off home soon, so will post more details then.

Well you're good to go on the router, it supports WPA PSK.

If your NIC does too, you should be laughing

 

[Radar]

* goes all starry eyed at the early days when it was all new and all you needed was a sniffer and l0hphtcrack for people to think you were an ubergeek...and token ring networks fooled kiddies who thought the world was ethernet

Ah, the l0pht. great place to hang out.

I remember when I bought our first sniffer from Data General ?? I spent hours on the phone with Dell trying to make sure that the lappie I wanted to buy would actually run the frigging thing

We had TR over STP too, hands up if you know where your MAU port resetter is

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Well you're good to go on the router, it supports WPA PSK.

If your NIC does too, you should be laughing

NIC? Network Information Centre? Is that something to do with my broadband provider or is it something in the laptop. (Please don't point and laugh, i'm trying my best, honest )

 

[Iam]

Network Interface Controller.

Or "network card".

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Aha, ta la

 

[Pingu]

Ah, the l0pht. great place to hang out.

I remember when I bought our first sniffer from Data General ?? I spent hours on the phone with Dell trying to make sure that the lappie I wanted to buy would actually run the frigging thing

We had TR over STP too, hands up if you know where your MAU port resetter is

i have a mau in the loft... and a couple of madge 16meg NICS along with an FDDI controller "thing" and some FDDI NICS (madge again I think)

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Well you're good to go on the router, it supports WPA PSK.

If your NIC does too, you should be laughing

Is the network card/NIC the info contained under 'network adapters'? If so, it seems to have 2 things:

1) Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection, and
2) Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

Router is actually WGT 614 but is deffo does the WPA stuff. Any advice on how to change from WEP would be most appreciated.

 

[Radar]

Ah Madge Networks, now that's a blast from the past. FDDI too, youse must have been posh (or wealthy) We only started playing with that when we had to buy in a shitload of alphas for some bollock pipe dream of the MDs that were never actually used in anger for what they were bought for.

We thought we were the dogs bollocks when we had the new funky 16 bit TR cards from Madge and got the dev ring updated to 16Mb And Ollicom too, I think they were the last TR vendor we tried before we finally binned it all and went 10base T. Thank Christ too, STP was hell on your hands if you were rewiring anything. Those bastard type 1 connectors could and did take chunks out of you TR was overpriced as fuck too.

DXMA, DXMC, DXMT.. Ring any bells ??

Fuck, this is tragic !! I can't remember the name of someone I was introduced to last week, but can remember dos device drivers from 15 years ago

The curse of the techie strikes again !

 

[Radar]

Router is actually WGT 614 but is deffo does the WPA stuff. Any advice on how to change from WEP would be most appreciated.

Router first

There's a netgear WGR614, or a netgear WGT624. If you have the 614, that is further split into v5, v6 or v7 (check the product label on the base of the router to confirm which)

What you need to do is logon to the router's management interface as the admin user, (admin, password are the defaults) and go to the router's "Wireless settings" page in the setup menu on the left. Once there you'll see a wireless settings page with a heading at the bottom of "Security Options" Under that you need to enable WPA-PSK and set the passphrase to whatever you want to use (this is effectively your wifif 'password' and just like when you used WEP, it needs to be the same on your router and your wifi clients) (this is described using v7 firmware, things may be slightly different if you're actually using a different version)

Lappie

Now you need to kick the laptop's wifi card into WPA-PSK too. This will vary depending on how you manage your wifi card under windows. Do you use the wifi software provided with windows or use the intel/Proset wifi software ???

How you actually change the laptop will be different as you need to use different programs to make the change in each case, but esentially you're going to be doing the same as what you did with your router. Look for the security settings page, and change WEP to WPA-PSK and set the same passphrase as what you used with the router.

Give it a bash, the worst thing you could end up doing is burning your house down and I'm sure we could blame that on Intel

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Give it a bash, the worst thing you could end up doimg is burning your house down and I'm sure we could blame that on Intel

Cheers mate Much appreciated. I definitely know how to dial 999, if the worst comes to the worst

but what's the wifi card/software? i've had a look under the menus on the bits i listed and there ain't no security setting. and alls that happened when i just poked around was i ended up back at the router menu?

 

[Iam]

Get to it here:

Control Panel > Network Connections

Right click Wireless Network Connection > Properties

Wireless Networks tab

Highlight your network > Properties

Security type (Network Authentication) should be on the first page of that dialog box...

 

[Radar]

Get to it here:

Control Panel > Network Connections

Right click Wireless Network Connection > Properties

Wireless Networks tab

If everything on that "Wireless Networks" tab is greyed out then you're using the NIC maker's own software to manage the wifi NIC and you must use it to make the changes. Look for Intel PRoset, I believe, in your case. It may already running in your systray (that little group of icons just to the left of the clock in the bottom RH side of your screen) Move your cursor over each icon to see what it is via the tooltip. If there's a white < to the left of the systray then you need to click it to see all the icons, by default it may only show a few of them. If it's not there then look in Start->Programs or Control Panel.

If that tab isn't greyed out then windows is configured to be managing the NIC and Iam's post above will apply.

 

[Iam]

Yep, good point.

My HP's internal wireless uses the Windows setup, not its own software, so I can't screen shot that... but this is the one for my PCMCIA card...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Get to it here:

Control Panel > Network Connections

Right click Wireless Network Connection > Properties

Wireless Networks tab

Highlight your network > Properties

Security type (Network Authentication) should be on the first page of that dialog box...

Don't work with vista Tried 'network and sharing centre', then 'manage network connections', a right click on the icon for our network then brings up a menu called 'Wireless Network Connection Properties' but there isn't any wireless network tab.

Just found the right way. Go to 'manage n/w connections' r/c on the wireless connection icon, click on 'status' (NOT 'properties'), then go to 'wireless properties' and the security setting is on a tab from there. Hooray. off out now, cheers peeps

 

[Pingu]

Ah Madge Networks, now that's a blast from the past. FDDI too, youse must have been posh (or wealthy) We only started playing with that when we had to buy in a shitload of alphas for some bollock pipe dream of the MDs that were never actually used in anger for what they were bought for.

We thought we were the dogs bollocks when we had the new funky 16 bit TR cards from Madge and got the dev ring updated to 16Mb And Ollicom too, I think they were the last TR vendor we tried before we finally binned it all and went 10base T. Thank Christ too, STP was hell on your hands if you were rewiring anything. Those bastard type 1 connectors could and did take chunks out of you TR was overpriced as fuck too.

DXMA, DXMC, DXMT.. Ring any bells ??

Fuck, this is tragic !! I can't remember the name of someone I was introduced to last week, but can remember dos device drivers from 15 years ago

The curse of the techie strikes again !

i think the MAU is an olicom one (grey with red writing) I also have a 3 com 24 port managed TR switch. the fddi stuff came from the bank. I was a senior member of the R&D team and the abnsk policy was to sell the kit from R&D projects to staff at the end of a project rather than skip it. so i bought some fddi stuff.

type 1 connectors.. lol i remeber crawling round behind huge as400 servers when i worked at kwik save repatching those.

 

[Iam]

Don't work with vista Tried 'network and sharing centre', then 'manage network connections', a right click on the icon for our network then brings up a menu called 'Wireless Network Connection Properties' but there isn't any wireless network tab.

Just found the right way. Go to 'manage n/w connections' r/c on the wireless connection icon, click on 'status' (NOT 'properties'), then go to 'wireless properties' and the security setting is on a tab from there. Hooray. off out now, cheers peeps

Nice one.

My brain doesn't accept Vista as a possibility yet...