Welsh nationalism

[editor]

Yes I agree, the extent to which Welsh has been and can still be laughed at is disgraceful. Who could forget Redwood mangling Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau - always replayed as a comedy moment on TV, but actually really insulting. That's why I was defending the language and attempts to protect it above.

The point I was trying to make maybe not very well, is that Welsh nationalism is inevitably defined by the relationship with much larger England, and has this deep anxiety about that.

Oh, I don't know. I'd say that it has changed considerably in recent years, and it's now far more positive - it's more about Welsh history and culture than hating the Englischers. There's still the h8ters of course, but there seems to be more of a sense of being Welsh is actually not a bad thing in itself, which was how I was made to feel.

 

[planetgeli]

Don't think the snipes about the language are necessary, it makes perfect sense if you grow up within it - but I do agree that Welsh nationalism is marked by a strong fear of inferiority (maybe most nationalisms are - and deal with it by being the opposite) to the English.

Hey I wouldn't characterize what I said as 'sniping' about the Welsh language. I said I was fully supportive and its a cornerstone of your culture. I'm sure it makes perfect sense if you grow up within it. But so does English. And I wouldn't deny that's a bloody hard language to learn either. Thanks for your agreement on the inferiority bit...I also take your (bracketed) point.

 

[Iolo]

What I find marked is that whenever I push an English tory in argument, he tells me I shag sheep, not now and again but again and again and again and again and again.

 

[Gavin Bl]

Oh, I don't know. I'd say that it has changed considerably in recent years, and it's now far more positive - it's more about Welsh history and culture than hating the Englischers. There's still the h8ters of course, but there seems to be more of a sense of being Welsh is actually not a bad thing in itself, which was how I was made to feel.

Agreed, having spent my twenties and thirties in the south east, I've had to deal with, and sometimes ignore, anti-Welsh barbs more often than I care to remember.

 

[Gavin Bl]

What I find marked is that whenever I push an English tory in argument, he tells me I shag sheep, not now and again but again and again and again and again and again.

best to remind them that if that's true, they are paying to eat them after we have shagged them.