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Anyways... What is the perceived reason for the recent drop in the number of Welsh speakers - I thought it had been doing quite well until very recently (we've had threads to this effect where lots of links were produced about how well things were going for the language).

I don't see anything in the initial little link positing a reason.
 
ddraig said:
it is about WG inaction
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I'll just stick to replying to your posts that don't show massive cognitive failure. This one is as good as it gets so I'll give it a go, though I'll assume you mean the Welsh Government rather than West Germany.

According to the link, the group concerned wants action due to a drop in the number of Welsh speakers.

From the link: "The protest is part of a general Cymdeithas campaign to put pressure on the Labour Government to act urgently in light of a drop in the number of Welsh speakers."

So, yes, the protest is 'about WG inaction' (if I have the acronyms right), but I was wondering what has happened in the last year or so to produce a drop in the number of Welsh speakers (however that is defined - I don't know whether they mean first language, second language, people who drop bits of Welsh into conversation but are interested in learning more etc.).

The reason I ask being that there was a pretty big thread which probably wasn't much over a year ago, if that, where the impression given was that the language was doing famously.

I'm happy to answer any questions following on from what I've written above (I could dig out the thread if you really want but you were probably on it), but I'll continue to ignore any unrelated weirdness. I don't think I can say much fairer than that.
 
8ball said:
I'll just stick to replying to your posts that don't show massive cognitive failure. This one is as good as it gets so I'll give it a go, though I'll assume you mean the Welsh Government rather than West Germany.

According to the link, the group concerned wants action due to a drop in the number of Welsh speakers.

From the link: "The protest is part of a general Cymdeithas campaign to put pressure on the Labour Government to act urgently in light of a drop in the number of Welsh speakers."

So, yes, the protest is 'about WG inaction' (if I have the acronyms right), but I was wondering what has happened in the last year or so to produce a drop in the number of Welsh speakers (however that is defined - I don't know whether they mean first language, second language, people who drop bits of Welsh into conversation but are interested in learning more etc.).

The reason I ask being that there was a pretty big thread which probably wasn't much over a year ago, if that, where the impression given was that the language was doing famously.

I'm happy to answer any questions following on from what I've written above (I could dig out the thread if you really want but you were probably on it), but I'll continue to ignore any unrelated weirdness. I don't think I can say much fairer than that.
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who do you think you are? :confused:
a mod? no
my boss? no
my teacher? no
my mum? no

you don't answer questions to you, don't back up your posts or expand on them when queried and start from a position of aloof critique, wasting posters time and goalpost shifting.
you think you are being fair? if you say so yourself of course
you are rude, stick your patronising caveats, i don't have to explain or justify to you
 
8ball said:
This knowledge will save international campaigning groups a lot of effort in translation costs.
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Simple fact is Cymdeithas has a very successful record, in general terms, thanks to actions. Regardless of whether you or I agree with them.
 
chilango said:
Simple fact is Cymdeithas has a very successful record, in general terms, thanks to actions. Regardless of whether you or I agree with them.
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I don't know much about them, or what particular victories are considered specifically down to them. I remember stickers in the 80's back when Welsh was dying on its arse so the return doesn't look terribly hopeful to me combined with the fact that there has been an apparent dip in the number of Welsh speakers, but the only connection I really have is the stickers.

On a recent thread it seemed Welsh was doing well and what seemed encouraging was that it seemed to have become quite an inclusive culture, as opposed to back when it was just an excuse for an ego trip by thick elitists, which was very alienating to me and my cohorts when I was growing up - more recently friends from home have begun learning it. I'm wondering what has reversed the trend of Welsh increasing in popularity though - is it the case that measurements were off before or are is this a very recent effect with a well-understood cause.
 
8ball said:
I don't know much about them, or what particular victories are considered specifically down to them. I remember stickers in the 80's back when Welsh was dying on its arse so the return doesn't look terribly hopeful to me combined with the fact that there has been an apparent dip in the number of Welsh speakers, but the only connection I really have is the stickers.

On a recent thread it seemed Welsh was doing well and what seemed encouraging was that it seemed to have become quite an inclusive culture, as opposed to back when it was just an excuse for an ego trip by thick elitists, which was very alienating to me and my cohorts when I was growing up - more recently friends from home have begun learning it. I'm wondering what has reversed the trend of Welsh increasing in popularity though - is it the case that measurements were off before or are is this a very recent effect with a well-understood cause.
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I'm not going to debate the health of the Welsh language cos I'm simply not up to speed with the most recent data.

On Cymdeithas however, their campaigns really have won a fairly major shift in official policy towards Welsh. For example, persistent and large scale defacement and/or removal of monolingual road signs has led to bilingual signage almost everywhere. Merely the threat of Cymdeithas et al. Really has forced the use if Welsh in public signs, notices etc.and directly contributed to a real concrete change in attitude and visual environment over the course of a generation.

Whether that is enough to "save Welsh" is a whole other question, but you cannot fault the effectiveness of the "incomprehensible stickers".

That's the only point I'm intervening to make. :)
 
You don't seem to have said any thigh that can be taken as support for the effectiveness of incomprehensible stickers. I do concede that printing bilingual signs is cheaper than repeatedly printing monolingual ones. Do they have much popular support from the people whose money they are wasting in the process?

I guess if they cared about that sort of thing they might have bilingual stickers...
 
that chip on your shoulder is showing
why do you think people should or would take the time to answer you when you have your mind made up and continue to be rude?
 
again no point when you are going to act like this
question people but don't answer questions put to you just throw them back as a dig
 
ddraig said:
again no point when you are going to act like this
question people but don't answer questions put to you just throw them back as a dig
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Go on then, ask a question if you like - try not to dress it up in cuntery - just ask an honest uncunty question and I'll give you an uncunty answer.
 
ddraig said:
this for starters
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When did you stop raping your Dad?
Now, based on that example, can you work out the connection between the two cunty questions and why yours was cunty?

Now try for an uncunty one - my offer still stands.
 
8ball said:
When did you stop raping your Dad?
Now, based on that example, can you work out the connection between the two cunty questions and why yours was cunty?

Now try for an uncunty one - my offer still stands.
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wtf? where is the need for this? :confused:
 
8ball said:
Anyways... What is the perceived reason for the recent drop in the number of Welsh speakers -
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Basically, most Welsh people have managed to divorce their patriotism from the language. English-speakers are just as Welsh as Welsh-speakers, and they are starting to say so more and more clearly.
 
ddraig said:
wtf? where is the need for this? :confused:
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I was just trying to point out how loaded questions work.
It was a bit vulgar for which I apologise, hopefully we can proceed a bit more civilly from here.

But you did a normal question and I answered it honestly, see. ;)

My turn - do you remember an old thread called 'Tyranny of The Welsh Taliban' or similar?
 
stick your apology
that is well out of order and uncalled for
you can play with dwyer, i'm out
 
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