dennisr
the acceptable face
impressive
Well Done the Greens
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London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Apologies!
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
So from what I can make out the greens got the biggest percentage increase (2.4) but didn't get any extra MEPs. While UKIP with a 0.3% increase overall got an extra seat. I had thought that the list regions were big enough to give a proportional result overall, but that's nowhere near the case is it? What a shit system.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Combined SLP/no2eu also up about 70 000 on RESPECT'S 2004 return.
I edited my post, because it's pretty obvious who the woman actually is.
Crispy
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From the other EU elections thread
Aye.
Example of national vote share / seats:
Tories - 4,012,600 votes / 24 seats = 167,192 votes per MEP
Greens - 1,223,303 votes / 2 seats = 611,652 votes per MEP
BNP - 916,424 / 2 seats = 458,212 votes per MEP
Insane.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Up 30% or so on, as you say, a much smaller turnout.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
**edit - ignore**
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Those aren't the final figures Crispy quotes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, the ones above are missing todays returns.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Christ, by my calculations the greens would have won 5 or 6 seats in a proportional system (5.9 to be exact).
So they use this hideously complex seat allocation system that no one understands and it delivers results like this? What a load of fucking bollocks.
So they use this hideously complex seat allocation system that no one understands and it delivers results like this? What a load of fucking bollocks.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I see even the guardian doesn't have the green results on the website front page. Sometimes I wonder what the point of the guardian is. They're not even good at being liberal cheerleaders 
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I understand that the first UK nazis in the european parliament *is* a story, but it's pathetic that the news can only focus on one story at a time. And you're right, the sensationalist story is the more important one
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yeah, it seems it's not really proportional - or only a bit proportional. I had assumed that the 'regions' were big enough that proportional results in them would give proportional results for the whole country, but it turns out that isn't the case. I thought this seat allocation system was crap before, now I think it's fucking moronic.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Its because we break our EU election results into regions.
One reason they do that is that the electorate are already rather disconnected from their MEP's, if they were not even vaguely related to geography then it would be even worse.
Carline Lucas on the BBC last night did talk briefly about the unfairness, sugesting maybe some sort of top up system where you had some MEPs elected based on the national share of the vote, could be a bit fairer.
As for the idea that the BBC are flogging us fascism, well I dont think thats quite right. The media and mainstream politicians do need to change the way they handle the BNP, but in practice that probably means less vitriolic hate towards the BNP and more debating the issues, and if that happens then it will probably lead to more charges of giving the BNP legitimacy.
One reason they do that is that the electorate are already rather disconnected from their MEP's, if they were not even vaguely related to geography then it would be even worse.
Carline Lucas on the BBC last night did talk briefly about the unfairness, sugesting maybe some sort of top up system where you had some MEPs elected based on the national share of the vote, could be a bit fairer.
As for the idea that the BBC are flogging us fascism, well I dont think thats quite right. The media and mainstream politicians do need to change the way they handle the BNP, but in practice that probably means less vitriolic hate towards the BNP and more debating the issues, and if that happens then it will probably lead to more charges of giving the BNP legitimacy.
Crispy
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Yes, although strictly spekaing it would be a 'more proportional' system. The EP vote was proportional for each region-based consituency. The greens get similarly large votes in national elections but don't have a single MP. FPTP is ridiculously unfair.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
The media and the political establishment have ceded most of the ground to the BNP when it comes to debating the issues. They aren't willing to upset racists by challenging any of the core ideas that make the BNP popular.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
its not exactly accurate to call the German Greens very right wing, they've not adopted a blood and soil type deep greenery, they've just become a typical bourgeois reformist party, third way bollocks
The decision to support troops to Kosovo obviously drove a lot of the leftists out of the party, and the growth of Die Linke has accelerated that trend (on your favourite topic, the German greens are to the right of Die Linke on immigration, and Die Linke's actual policies on the matter are almost indistinguishable form the UK Greens!)
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Bit like the Labour Party then. Kosovo = the beginning of the end of the labour left as an actual coherent force in the party
actually maybe that's not strictly accurate but many people did kid themselves that this was gonna be different in 1997
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I agree. One of the BNPs key ideas these days (and one I have heard parrotted in pubs) is that there is massive 'racism against white people'. I've never seen this properly challenged by politicians or the media - perhaps because it's a difficult debate to have in soundbites, or perhaps because it's too risky.
Crispy
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Ok, so by the final results: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm
If the system was directly proportional, the greens should have got 5.9 seats as brainaddict says.
For a direct vote, these are the numbers for all parties who got an MEP elected this time round. Figures rounded from those in brackets.
Party - Election result - Proportional result
Cons - 25 - 19(19.11)
UKIP - 13 - 11(11.39)
Lab - 13 - 11(10.83)
Libd - 11 - 10(9.45)
Green - 2 - 6(5.93)
BNP - 2 - 4(4.28)
SNP 2 - 1(1.45)
Plaid - 1 - 1(0.55)
Code:
TURNOUT: 15,136,932
ELECTORATE: 44,173,690 Votes MEPs
Party Total % Total +/-
Conservative 4,198,394 27.7
(+1.0) 25 +1
UK Independence Party 2,498,226 16.5
(+0.3) 13 +1
Labour 2,381,760 15.7
(-6.9) 13 -5
Liberal Democrats 2,080,613 13.7
(-1.2) 11 +1
Green Party 1,303,745 8.6
(+2.4) 2 0
British National Party 943,598 6.2
(+1.3) 2 +2
Scottish National Party 321,007 2.1
(+0.7) 2 0
Plaid Cymru 126,702 0.8
(-0.1) 1 0If the system was directly proportional, the greens should have got 5.9 seats as brainaddict says.
For a direct vote, these are the numbers for all parties who got an MEP elected this time round. Figures rounded from those in brackets.
Party - Election result - Proportional result
Cons - 25 - 19(19.11)
UKIP - 13 - 11(11.39)
Lab - 13 - 11(10.83)
Libd - 11 - 10(9.45)
Green - 2 - 6(5.93)
BNP - 2 - 4(4.28)
SNP 2 - 1(1.45)
Plaid - 1 - 1(0.55)
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
According to this site Great Britain as a single European Parliament consituency, 2009 the results would be:
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Conservative (28.5%): 21
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UKIP (17.0%): 13
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Labour (16.2%): 12
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Lib Dems (14.1%): 10
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Green (8.9%): 6
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BNP (6.4%): 4
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SNP (2.2%): 1
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English Dems (1.9%): 1
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Christian (1.7%): 1
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Socialist Lab (1.2%): None
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No2EU (1.0%): None
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Plaid Cymru (0.9%): None
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Conservative (28.5%): 21
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UKIP (17.0%): 13
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Labour (16.2%): 12
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Lib Dems (14.1%): 10
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Green (8.9%): 6
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BNP (6.4%): 4
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SNP (2.2%): 1
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English Dems (1.9%): 1
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Christian (1.7%): 1
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Socialist Lab (1.2%): None
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No2EU (1.0%): None
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Plaid Cymru (0.9%): None
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