Well According to the BBC its Scolari for England
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Lord Camomile
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That's the thing, I don't think it does. As I said earlier, Sven's biggest problem is that he picks the eleven (supposedly) best players, rather than picking the best team or picking the players that are in form and dropping the players that aren't.anfield said:
Hopefully Scolari will do things differently.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
O'Neil would have been my 1st choice out of the two. He seems to always get the respect and the best out of the players. How you can do that when you do not speak the language I am not sure. His record is good, but something slightly undefinable is nagging at me. I have doubts.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Feck off, you've already got a manager*+!Dr. Furface said:
*in at least some sense of the word
+Roeder doesn't count, he's just a caretaker.
"Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh. Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh.
He looks like Gene Hack-man in the French Conn-ec-tion.
Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh. Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh."
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What a song. It scans and everything. Wahey! Wish I was English now so that i could sing it.
You can have that one, Engerlunders
He looks like Gene Hack-man in the French Conn-ec-tion.
Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh. Sco-lar-i, whoah-oh-oh-oh."
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What a song. It scans and everything. Wahey! Wish I was English now so that i could sing it.
You can have that one, Engerlunders
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
I'll be reasonably happy if this is true, but don't take anything for granted yet.
Barwick hasn't actually admitted to anything other than being in Portugal as part of the ongoing selection process. Scolari will be fuming if this is seen as a done deal before the World Cup - as will the Portugese FF.
So there's still an issue to be resolved with the FA wanting an appointment announced before the World Cup and Scolari wanting the opposite to protect his preparations with Portugal.
There may be an easy way out of this impasse, but I can't see it. Futhermore if the FA is arrogantly assuming that Scolari will drop everything and come running they may get a nasty shock.
I may be wrong, but I think there may be a few more twists and turns in this one...
Barwick hasn't actually admitted to anything other than being in Portugal as part of the ongoing selection process. Scolari will be fuming if this is seen as a done deal before the World Cup - as will the Portugese FF.
So there's still an issue to be resolved with the FA wanting an appointment announced before the World Cup and Scolari wanting the opposite to protect his preparations with Portugal.
There may be an easy way out of this impasse, but I can't see it. Futhermore if the FA is arrogantly assuming that Scolari will drop everything and come running they may get a nasty shock.
I may be wrong, but I think there may be a few more twists and turns in this one...
I'm always a bit amused to see how some people and journos seek a 'british' manager.
A nice bit of spin really, since when it comes to football it is England that play, and therefore an irishman or a scot is just as foreign as a brazilian or a swede.
But apparantly not in the media, and amongst some england fans. You can't have it both ways, if a british manager is okay, then so is a british team.
Any manager with a track record of winning at international level is surely the best possible pick. The nationality is irrelevant in rational conversations: the players are english, and the fans are english. That's all that matters.
A nice bit of spin really, since when it comes to football it is England that play, and therefore an irishman or a scot is just as foreign as a brazilian or a swede.
But apparantly not in the media, and amongst some england fans. You can't have it both ways, if a british manager is okay, then so is a british team.
Any manager with a track record of winning at international level is surely the best possible pick. The nationality is irrelevant in rational conversations: the players are english, and the fans are english. That's all that matters.
happie chappie
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Scolari
I also think it's a shame there isn't an English manager with the right credentials at the moment, but the fact is that there isn't. Scolari is the best man for the job. IMHO. he's got the one essential quality - proven success at international level - that none of the other serious candidates can come anywhere near matching.
It's a brave appointment (if he accepts), both by the FA and Scolari himself. I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with the English media, especially the tabloids.
On a purely personal level, I'm praying he accepts. I was given a £20 free bet on Sunday, and I put it on Scolari @ 16/1!!
(a very) Happie Chappie
I also think it's a shame there isn't an English manager with the right credentials at the moment, but the fact is that there isn't. Scolari is the best man for the job. IMHO. he's got the one essential quality - proven success at international level - that none of the other serious candidates can come anywhere near matching.
It's a brave appointment (if he accepts), both by the FA and Scolari himself. I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with the English media, especially the tabloids.
On a purely personal level, I'm praying he accepts. I was given a £20 free bet on Sunday, and I put it on Scolari @ 16/1!!
(a very) Happie Chappie
editor said:
Personally, I don't think it matters one bit. England supporters want success, and to give us the best chance of getting that success we need the best manager we can get. I respect Allardyce and Curbishley, but neither of them has sufficient experience of managing the top players. The same is true of MacLaren, though if it was compulsory to have a manager from your own country I'd say he was probably the best option by virtue of his involvement in Eriksson's set up.
Scolari has proven himself in international and European management and knows how to deal with international players. His teams play exciting football. In my view he's the best man for the job, and if wants it he can have it. I don't care if he's English, Brazilian, Belgian or Martian.
anfield said:
Sorry, but that's nonsense. Perhaps there is currently a clear selection in five or six positions if the player in question is fit, but the players need to be co-ordinated and taught tactics.
Scolari speaks a number of languages, I believe, and if he gets the job I can guarantee he'll be speaking good English by the end of the summer. No doubt the FA will either keep MacLaren or get someone like Stuart Pearce in to help him and to yell at Beckham when his hair is out of place.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
i don't think so, and i don't think the manager's nationality matters at all. we live in a globalised employment age - for teachers, builders, england managers all. I think it is excellent that people travel all over the world in furtherance of their career.editor said:
and ultimately - it's the players that count, nationality-wise.
RaverDrew said:Maybe if Wales went for a non-welsh manager, they might be able to join us at reaching a world cup ???
Quite possibly but he'd probably end up having sex with loads of different women and getting into embarassing media stitch-up scenarios.
We wouldn't want that at all
Do we know for sure that Scolari's English isn't up to much?
Must confess to never having seen him interviewed ....
Must confess to never having seen him interviewed ....
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
Well it's better than Steve McClaren's, put it that way...
The reason there are few English candidates imho is the same there are few English goalies getting games at the top level - top clubs want the best they can get so they're happy to shop overseas for Wenger, Mourinho etc etc. Means any decent young English coaches never get a look in at Arsenal, Man U and the like, means they never have the credibility when the top job comes available.
Can we please stop trying to pretend O'Neill is British btw? He's Irish, it's completely different.
Can we please stop trying to pretend O'Neill is British btw? He's Irish, it's completely different.
Since Big Phil has seemingly got the nod of being the Ingerlund (England) manager. I'm just wondering will Stuart Pearce will be offered the postion as Scolari's assistant? If that does happen imo that would be a good combination! Mostly pleased that he's go the nod, although like the others Guus Hiddink would have been perfect for the job.
Me thinks either Gerrard or Terry will probably the next skipper. I'm not sure whether this will spell the end of Beckham's international career.
Until the *FA mucked about and messed Hiddink around, thus he's the new Russian manager (Courtesy of Mr Oil himself a certain Roman Abramovich)
TLP and the others - Scolari doesn't take no bullshit from anyone i.e players of journos. I'll use Figo, Vitor Baia and Fernando Couto as examples of his ruthlessness in Euro 2004! Also anyone who can make Ronaldo help out his team mates and defend is some manager, crf World Cup Quarter Final - England ve Brazil 2002!
I'm looking foward to see how he deals with the snipeful and insidous "tabloid" media. Can anyone confirm that Big Phil headbutted a Portuguese journalist or a cameraman at one of the press conferences in 2004!? 
*For once i give the FA credit and the cojones for making this decision. Because ulitmately the contenders for the job didn't have the right attributes, qualities. Yet alone international experience to handle this poisoned challice of a role!
Me thinks either Gerrard or Terry will probably the next skipper. I'm not sure whether this will spell the end of Beckham's international career.
Until the *FA mucked about and messed Hiddink around, thus he's the new Russian manager (Courtesy of Mr Oil himself a certain Roman Abramovich)
TLP and the others - Scolari doesn't take no bullshit from anyone i.e players of journos. I'll use Figo, Vitor Baia and Fernando Couto as examples of his ruthlessness in Euro 2004! Also anyone who can make Ronaldo help out his team mates and defend is some manager, crf World Cup Quarter Final - England ve Brazil 2002!
I'm looking foward to see how he deals with the snipeful and insidous "tabloid" media. Can anyone confirm that Big Phil headbutted a Portuguese journalist or a cameraman at one of the press conferences in 2004!?
*For once i give the FA credit and the cojones for making this decision. Because ulitmately the contenders for the job didn't have the right attributes, qualities. Yet alone international experience to handle this poisoned challice of a role!
English managers aren't good enough. Our players have probably benefited from the influx of foreign players, it's time our managers developed a little. Who is our version of Wenger? Someone who isn't afraid to let a team play an attractive passing style, who can spot and develop talent? It takes a certain mentality to achieve what Arsenal or Barcelona have. And if it was about just rallying the troops then Brazil would win every time.
Scolari is a great choice. None of the other candidates had the skill to develop England's potential.
Scolari is a great choice. None of the other candidates had the skill to develop England's potential.
Great posts from Jo/Joe and E.J., I agree, Scolari's the man, and I think I'm on record on some old threads here of saying the same.
BUT :
For now. we know NOTHING about how likely 'Big Phil' (
) really is to take the job 
BUT :
For now. we know NOTHING about how likely 'Big Phil' (
) really is to take the job Blackmushroom
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Apparently he admires General pinochet and is a homophobe according to the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4952180.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4952180.stm
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Blackmushroom said:
Fantastic! It shows exactly how politically engaged the FA are.
Hey, you're welcome to him. At least we dumped our German manager, It seems the English FA have a thing about foreign coaches and reckon because of their exoticism, they're somehow better than homegrwn talent.
Friggin' disgraceful.
nino_savatte said:Fantastic! It shows exactly how politically engaged the FA are.
Hey, you're welcome to him. At least we dumped our German manager, It seems the English FA have a thing about foreign coaches and reckon because of their exoticism, they're somehow better than homegrwn talent.
Friggin' disgraceful.
or its their record and experience in top level competitions?
until the big clubs in england employ english managers i dont see how they will get the neccessary experience anyway.
Mclaren was supposed to be 'groomed' (not like that) and he's shit - current cup runs aside.
I'd like to see an English man as manager but just having a bit of bulldog spirit does not bring success in this day and age.
plus what english man would dare drop beckham or the other 'superstars'
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Dan U said:
What happened to David Platt? He was doing great things with the Under-21s, He seems to have been completely overlooked. Why?
Beckham is a clothes horse and nowt else.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
JKKne said:
Yeah because all of them have been fantastic managers
Lineker's Soccernet piece makes even less sense - i think starting by not knwoign the players might motivate them to try and prove themselves. As it is Bekcham, Rio and Owen are pretty mcuh guranteed starting places - so that's a crocked striker, an over-rated centre back prone to mistakes and a captain who drifts in and out of games and can't decide if he's playign right win or centre mid.
Scolari won the WC with Ronaldinho, when he was a potentially great player who never really shone for PSG - not the player everyone knows today at Barca. That Brazil team was hardly 'great' - a crocked striker, Rivaldo at the end of his career, same with Leonardo, dodgy defence. He still went and won it.
England haven't done it for over 40 years depsite apparently being a great footballing nation. Delusions of grandeur i'm afraid.
Until a big club employ and english manager, they won't be able to prove themselves because Boro, Charlton and Bolton aren't big enough to win the CL. It's Catch 22. Maybe Lineker and all the other 'experts' should be talking about that, rather than out of their overpaid pundit arses.
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