Weekly/Fortnightly Bin collections

[poster342002]

I bet the bin-bashers are the same people that write into local papers complaining about sculptures in the middle of roundabouts.

Straw-man argument if ever I saw one.

 

[tarannau]

Oh come on Poster, it's still nonsense.

The fact that rubbish may be collected on a slightly more irregular basis does not represent a 'social decline' , nor does will it lead to more lives being lost as you clearly imply. Hell, if one person less is run over by a dustcart then it may even save a few.

You going to deny you're being a miserable, grossly exaggerating pillock? What's all this cack about 'liberal philanthropists' and their 'whooping and cheering' for example. Who? Where? Examples please

Get a grip and cheer up. Pucker up buttercup...

 

[tarannau]

Straw-man argument if ever I saw one.

Said the arch-miserabilist numpty who keeps on making wild, hyperbolic statements massively detached from reality.

 

[poster342002]

The fact that rubbish may be collected on a slightly more irregular basis does not represent a 'social decline'

Yes it does. Proper refuse collection was a major leap forward for sanitation and hygiene - one that is (in common with just about every social advance made during the last century) now being rolled back in the interests of cost-cutting.

 

[tarannau]

Aye, we don't have the right to vote anymore. Those bastards at the council have stolen the money that used to be dedicated to our voting forms and spent them on prawn sandwiches. We're all going to hell in a toecart ( the handcarts were all borrowed by asylum seeking migrants)

it's all a conspiracy isn't it. Everyone's out to get us. Nurse: the screen....

 

[poster342002]

Aye, we don't have the right to vote anymore. Those bastards at the council have stolen the money that used to be dedicated to our voting forms and spent them on prawn sandwiches. We're all going to hell in a toecart ( the handcarts were all borrowed by asylum seeking migrants)

it's all a conspiracy isn't it. Everyone's out to get us. Nurse: the screen....

You're now attacking me for things I haven't even said. Which merely shows that you've driven your metaphorical car up the dead-end of Lost Argument Avenue.

 

[tarannau]

Because they're barely less ridiculous than the things you do say.

What's all this unsupported nonsense about 'social advances' being eroded for example (justify please), who are these 'liberal philanthropists' , where's the evidence that someone collecting our bins from outside on a slightly less regular basis will mean that we necessarily have to have 'rotting crap inside our living quarters' Why does an identically performed rubbish collection become 'proper' when it's weekly, but not fortnightly. And so on.

You continually talk hyperbolic negative bollocks. Why shouldn't we parody your ridiculous style?

 

[poster342002]

blah blah blah ... [rest of extensive word-salad snipped away ...]

Why does an identically performed rubbish collection become 'proper' when it's weekly, but not fortnightly.

Why does a meal become 'proper' when it's thrice daily, but not once per week?

 

[tarannau]

Why does a meal become 'proper' when it's thrice daily, but not once per week?

What the hell has that got to do with the price of fish?


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[poster342002]

where's the evidence that someone collecting our bins from outside on a slightly less regular basis will mean that we necessarily have to have 'rotting crap inside our living quarters'

Where are we supposed to store the rubbish between collections, then? Put it outside before the officially-approved day in some areas and the bin-stasi will slap a fine on you.

 

[tarannau]

Where are we supposed to store the rubbish between collections, then? Put it outside before the officially-approved day in soem areas and the bin-stasi will slap a fine on you.

And here we go again. Seen any bin-stasi characters in reality then? I live in Lambeth too...

And you would take the rubbish from your bin indoors and put it in the bin outdoors, just as you would before. What the hell's threatening about that?

You see what I mean about you living in a hyperbolic world of misery...

 

[WouldBe]

Where are we supposed to store the rubbish between collections, then? Put it outside before the officially-approved day in soem areas and the bin-stasi will slap a fine on you.

In the bin. That's what it's there for.

 

[TAE]

By a variety of ways-it has also been proven that councils that switch to fortnightly schemes have better recycle rates. Clearly it works.

That really does not answer my question. See my post #16.

 

[poster342002]

And here we go again. Seen any bin-stasi characters in reality then? I live in Lambeth too...

And you would take the rubbish from your bin indoors and put it in the bin outdoors, just as you would before. What the hell's threatening about that?

You see what I mean about you living in a hyperbolic world of misery...

I said - in some areas. Nowhere did I mention Lambeth.

Some areas, I understand, issue fines (or want to do so shortly) for placing rubbish outside on the wrong day or placing rubbish in non-council approved bins. This last bit is the important bit; if the outside bins fill up as a result of reduced collections - where are you going to put your rubbish between collections?

 

[tarannau]

That really does not answer my question. See my post #16.

That's not really that relevant though is it? This inititative, as far as I understand it, would lead to councils needing to invest in new recycling facilites, which I suspect would include new bins in many cases.

The fact remains that fortnightly collections seemingly increase the recycling rarte

 

[JTG]

This whole issue is ridiculous. In Bristol we have fortnightly rubbish collections, fortnightly recycling collections and weekly food waste collections

Problem practically solved, the food is still collected once a week, same as it ever was, and goes off to be composted (in Dorset but they're going to build a big composter thingy in Bristol I think). Hardly anybody complains now it's settled down and Bristol's recycling rates are somewhere around 40% of total waste

Other councils are just dumb for not doing it like this.

 

[poster342002]

The fact remains that fortnightly collections seemingly increase the recycling rarte

Ah, that old defence-of-the-indefensible: The End Justifies The Means.

 

[WouldBe]

if the outside bins fill up as a result of reduced collections - where are you going to put your rubbish between collections?

It takes me 4-6 weeks to fill a wheelie bin (as supplied as part of the 2 bin collection scheme). The bins are emptied 2 weekly.

Where is the problem?

Unless you can't or won't get off your arse and sort the rubbish into the appropriate bin.

 

[poster342002]

It takes me 4-6 weeks to fill a wheelie bin (as supplied as part of the 2 bin collection scheme). The bins are emptied 2 weekly.

Where is the problem?

Unless you can't or won't get off your arse and sort the rubbish into the appropriate bin.

If you live in a communally-shared building (as I do), those bins fill up a lot quicker than 4-6 weeks. They're usually brim-full by mid-week, in my experience. And yes, people within the building recycle their recyclables - and the main bins are STILL full by mid-week, most weeks.

 

[JTG]

Two of us now take around a month to fill up our kitchen bin now that we recycle practically all of our food waste, paper, cans, plastic bottles etc etc

 

[tarannau]

I said - in some areas. Nowhere did I mention Lambeth.

Some areas, I understand, issue fines (or want to do so shortly) for placing rubbish outside on the wrong day or placing rubbish in non-council approved bins. This last bit is the important bit; if the outside bins fill up as a result of reduced collections - where are you going to put your rubbish between collections?

Ah, so this is what you've heard. Daily Mail is it? The Alarmist weekly?

If my outside bins fill up as a result of reduced collections then I'd either: (A) look at obtaining a bigger bin or (B) look at recycling more and cutting down on waste. Hardly rocket science is it?

I certainly wouldn't be going onto bulletin boards and spreading a load of miserable misinformation based on hearsay, implying that 'liberal philanthropists' are hoodwinking us (it's all about the money innit) and that clearly suggest that we're taking socially retrograde steps that will lead to rubbish piling up indoors and hygiene and health standards plummeting. Because that, as you may come to realise, would be the action of an alarmist numpty without a grip on reality...

 

[dash_two]

Wonder if there would be any merit in recycling centres offering small cash sums for people bringing along tin cans, bottles etc.

Drinks bottles used to have deposit paid on them, and kids were always keen to collect them and claim the money. Those bottles didn't lie around in gutters for long.

 

[poster342002]

If my outside bins fill up as a result of reduced collections then I'd either: (A) look at obtaining a bigger bin or (B) look at recycling more and cutting down on waste.

And what if: (A) a given council decides to ban people from using non-offical bins and (B) you already ARE recycling all that can be recycled?

And finally, waste isn't something people choose to have to dispose of.

You're defending the indefiensible with this.

 

[TAE]

That's not really that relevant though is it?

Why not ?


To encourage recycling the councils want to reduce the amount of normal rubbish you can throw away, but they don't have to reduce the number of collections to do so.

 

[TAE]

In Bristol we have fortnightly rubbish collections, fortnightly recycling collections and weekly food waste collections

That's also a good alternative.

 

[poster342002]

I certainly wouldn't be going onto bulletin boards and spreading a load of miserable misinformation based on hearsay, implying that 'liberal philanthropists' are hoodwinking us

I'm not saying that either: I'm saying that whereas once Liberal Philanthropists would have campaigned for better publically-funded hygiene (of which regular and full refuse collection is a part), they now seem instead to cheer on misapnthropic, cost-cutting idiocy of this sort.

 

[WouldBe]

Why not ?


To encourage recycling the councils want to reduce the amount of normal rubbish you can throw away, but they don't have to reduce the number of collections to do so.

The idea of 2 bins emptied on alternate weeks mean it doesn't cost the council any more. If you had 2 bins emptied every week you would need twice as many bin lorries and binmen meaning more cost to the tax payer.

 

[tarannau]

And what if: (A) a given council decides to ban people from using non-offical bins and (B) you already ARE recycling all that can be recycled?

And finally, waste isn't something people choose to have to dispose of.

You're defending the indefiensible with this.

Defending the indefensible my arse. You're just playing the illogical, whingeing prat character to perfection here, aren't you?

People don't choose to have to dispose of waste perhaps. But they can affect the type and volume of waste that throw into (generic) rubbish, by their purchasing decisions and willingness to recycle items. Again, it's not a tough concept to grasp.

if you are already recycling all that youcan then bully for you - nobody should be penalised for that. Reason with the council for bigger bins.

 

[poster342002]

People don't choose to have to dispose of waste perhaps. But they can affect the type and volume of waste that throw into (generic) rubbish, by their purchasing decisions and willingness to recycle items. Again, it's not a tough concept to grasp.

I think you'll find that peoples purchasing decisions are principally guided by issues of cost and affordability - not whether the items they're buying with thier limited sums of cash fall into the "right on" category.

 

[tarannau]

I think you'll find that peoples purchasing decisions are principally guided by issues of cost and affordability - not whether the items they're buying with thier limited sums of cash fall into the "right on" category.

Like bollocks they are. Or Iceland would have less sales of chicken nuggets and beer and far more of dried beans and other generic staples. Nice extra jibe about 'right on' though - care to fit a 'liberal' in the post somewhere.

Do you think about what you post, or is it kneejerk negativity?