We waited too long

[friedaweed]

The Iranians. The Shia Iranians blew up one of their own holiest sites. I see.

I think I can safely disregard anything else Rentonite has to say on the subject...

Don't ya know thats......

Originally Posted by Rentonite
Kinda Dismissive......It is an easy way to Not argue........
When you insult your opponent and dismiss their argument as stupid it is a tassid admission of loosing the argument........

So he must be right

 

[spring-peeper]

The Iranians. The Shia Iranians blew up one of their own holiest sites. I see.

I think I can safely disregard anything else Rentonite has to say on the subject...

Actually, that makes a bit more sense.

If he honestly thought that it was Iran that did it, it would explain his anger. I could see why he would be so full of piss and vinegar if he thought that Iran committed this act to discredit the US's reconstruction activities (or whatever they are trying to do). Yet another example of an attack on his country.

Makes sense in a way.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip> Makes sense in a way.

So do flying saucer cults.

 

[spring-peeper]

So do flying saucer cults.

 

[vimto]

Truth is, We cant leave it alone, we must go forward to absolute Victory!
That means Conquering the Middleast
Anything less is rubbish

Since they have started this thing We must end it.
There are no other choices.

It is hard to think that big but we must.
The enemy is.

Are you ex-military Rentonite?

 

[nino_savatte]

Are you ex-military Rentonite?

Nah, he's a taxi driver a la Travis Bickle.

 

[vimto]

It's Bush, Sr.'s fault for not doing it right the first time.

Doing what Yuwipi?

Are you aware?

 

[vimto]

Nah, he's a taxi driver a la Travis Bickle.

Oh I see

So what's the Rentboy going on about then?

Is he a Chickenhawk?

 

[rogue yam]

But then I'm a Canadian and we, as a nation, have taken a lot of abuse from you, my neighbour. Even Canadian patience will eventually wear out, then I guess we stop turning the other cheek and try a different approach with you.

Bullshit. Canada has taken no abuse from the U.S. We have traded with you and protected you and asked for nothing in return. And your threats are even more worthless and pathetic than your whining. What are you going to do? Cover yourselves with maple syrup and then just sit there and pout? We already have William Shatner. You've got nothing left!

 

[spring-peeper]

Bullshit. Canada has taken no abuse from the U.S. We have traded with you and protected you and asked for nothing in return. And your threats are even more worthless and pathetic than your whining. What are you going to do? Cover yourselves with maple syrup and then just sit there and pout? We already have William Shatner. You've got nothing left!

Hon, you have already established that you are not nothing about Canada, so stop waving your ignorance around the place.

I wasn't talking to you, anyway. My post was in response to Rentonite's post.

 

[rogue yam]

for the more intelligent rest of you:
1.The USA is the world's most powerful country - EASILY.
2. 20% of Israeli GDP comes from US aid - directly.
3. ANY economy, anywhere in the world, large or small, agrarian or industrial, which took a 20% year-on-year hit would immediately collapse into prolonged and severe recession.
4. Israel knows this.
5. so does the USA
6. the whole reason why this threat has NOT been used by any US Prez, is because the Jewish lobby in the US is one of the most powerful there is, as directed by AIPAC and the UJA. It is CERTAINLY much, much more powerful than any arab one.
7. This is because american jewry are, and always have been, politically driven and very well organised.
8. they - in general, and taken as a whole - have also become affluent over time.
9. They used to be - in general - organised around a variety of liberal-left causes. Now their main issue is Israel.
10. Any politician who take a hardline pro-palestine stance would prolly see votes melting away, dependent on where he was standing.
11. No US Prez has ever gone down that route.
Now, is all of this mexplained in simplistic enough terms for your tiny brain, yammie?
and 'Full statehood' is perfectly obvious in meaning to anyone with a brain greater than that of the average goldfish - so I'll spell it out for you;
It means internationally recognised terrain, borders, status at UN, constitutional arrangements, recognition by the international community etc.
Y'know, like England, France, ireland etc.
Now is THAT simple enough for you, my moronic little amigo?
and 'public' - as you seem to be having difficulties with that word - means SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE AND BE AWARE OF!!
Finally - as is also pitifully obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature; Until this latest war, the single biggest thing that impelled disaffected young arabs - whom I know a lot about and you know zero - into al-Q's arms, was resentment over Israel, a resentment shared by virtually all arabs and muslims.
No yammie - you are the pig-ignorant joke.
and I can GUARANTEE a heavy majority of all U75 posters would agree with me.

Hey moron! I didn't say that the U.S. could not force Israel to do anything. I said that the U.S. does not do so. See the difference? And your definition of "full statehood" quite typically leaves off any obligation by the "Palestinians" to be anything other than a deranged band of bloodthirsty Jew-killers. No deal, dickweed. Finally, I am not impressed by your claim of u75 support. We have plenty of retarded hippies here in America, too. If you lot want to take some of them off of our hands, so that you can have an even bigger mob of idiots to play with, feel free.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Our biggest mistake in the middle east is supporting oppressive regimes like the Saudis. It may be expedient in the short run, but in the long run it'll bite us in the ass. We should be working on being energy independant instead of supporting that evil.

It's not well known, but Canada currently supplies double the amount of petroleum imports to the US, as compared to KSA.

With the development of the oil sands in Alberta, US dependency on middle eastern oil can be further reduced.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

 

[spring-peeper]

Finally, I am not impressed by your claim of u75 support. We have plenty of retarded hippies here in America, too. If you lot want to take some of them off of our hands, so that you can have an even bigger mob of idiots to play with, feel free.

Actually, I think that's possibly the best list of things that the majority of posters here support.

And, yes - fortunately, there are a significant number of "retarded hippies" in America. It's nice to watch them as they clean up their country.

Power to the people!!!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Uh Ok Yes That seems to be true a little, at least we dont have the committie for the peoples of the homland state security ........

.

A relative of mine works in Florida. He says that the maze of paperwork etc generated by the Dept of Homeland Security must be comparable to anything that the Soviet Union could generate.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ok - you live next door. I come home and you are raking your leaves. I see my burned down house and my dead children.

Oh yes, I would go ballistic, trust me. (Actually, no - I would just stare at the scene, unable to accept and wait until someone comes to help me).

I would run to my children and then ask you what had happened.

I would phone 911.

I would revise my list of people who would have done this to me (me because everything else that matters is gone).

I would try to find you, and when I did, I would turn you over to the police.

But then I'm a Canadian and we, as a nation, have taken a lot of abuse from you, my neighbour. Even Canadian patience will eventually wear out, then I guess we stop turning the other cheek and try a different approach with you.

My response as a canadian would be a little different from this.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

9. They used to be - in general - organised around a variety of liberal-left causes. Now their main issue is Israel.
.

Like, en masse, you mean?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Or would you fight the Agressor?

I understand that thinking this way is hard to do for Canadians but ya gotta start sometime.......

At the moment, it's our soldiers getting blown up in Afghanistan, not yours, so you know what you can do with your comments.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, its more discomfort at having to go through security. I look like a dodgy character. Ok, so I am a dodgy character. If there is a 1% chance of being hassled, I'm likely to be the one.

Take a bath, put on some clean clothes, and leave the guns and knives at home: you should be ok.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I won't run. And, I'll be sure to shave too. I just hope they don't search down there.



I knew about the slip-on thing. A couple of years ago my mother and I went to the St. Louis arch. They made my 72 yr. old mother who walks with a walker take off her shoes and roll up her pant legs.



Those infernal contraptions were no doubt invented by a man who hates women anyway.

Thanks for the advice.

I've flown a handful of times since 911. I wear boots, not slipons, and haven't been asked to take them off yet. Just empty your pockets into the change tray, take off your outerwear coat and sweater, etc, and put them through the xray.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Bullshit. Canada has taken no abuse from the U.S. We have traded with you and protected you and asked for nothing in return. And your threats are even more worthless and pathetic than your whining. What are you going to do? Cover yourselves with maple syrup and then just sit there and pout? We already have William Shatner. You've got nothing left!

Well, we have oil.

But then, I don't think you've been particularly abusive to Canada. Apart from the mad cow bullshit, the softwood lumber dispute, and the salmon fishery dispute....

And letting the goddamn Posse Comitatus, or Minutemen or somebody like that, patrol the border....

And wanting to make Americans returning from Canada show a passport......

And appointing that goofball as ambassador to Canada........

And not inviting our Prime Minister to the Ranch......

 

[rogue yam]

At the moment, it's our soldiers getting blown up in Afghanistan, not yours, so you know what you can do with your comments.

Dude! Yes there are Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan pulling difficult and dangerous duty. The world should be grateful for this. I am, and I think most Americans are as well. However, there are still plenty of Americans there too, and they are pulling duty that is just as tough as anybody's. So while the comment you replied to might well need to be stuffed, I think your response went too far. U.S forces are everywhere that AQ is, and will remain on the hunt for as long as necessary. Let no one doubt or forget this.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Dude! Yes there are Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan pulling difficult and dangerous duty. The world should be grateful for this. I am, and I think most Americans are as well. However, there are still plenty of Americans there too, and they are pulling duty that is just as tough as anybody's. So while the comment you replied to might well need to be stuffed, I think your response went too far. U.S forces are everywhere that AQ is, and will remain on the hunt for as long as necessary. Let no one doubt or forget this.

I know your soldiers are. And I won't go too far if you'll refrain from calling canadians or canadian soldiers cowards.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Something you need to remember: emotions ran high in Canada following 911. But for the fact that the Liberal party was in power at the time, there would be canadian soldiers in Iraq right now. There's lots to debate about how that war is being prosecuted, but many many canadians are embarassed by the fact that our govt didn't go to the assistance of our closest ally, trading partner and friend.

 

[rogue yam]

Well, we have oil.

But then, I don't think you've been particularly abusive to Canada. Apart from the mad cow bullshit, the softwood lumber dispute, and the salmon fishery dispute....

And letting the goddamn Posse Comitatus, or Minutemen or somebody like that, patrol the border....

And wanting to make Americans returning from Canada show a passport......

And appointing that goofball as ambassador to Canada........

And not inviting our Prime Minister to the Ranch......

Yes, you all have oil and gas and water and lumber and lots more. We have cash. The ending to this one writes itself.

Dispute, dispute, dispute.... This is what businesspeople do. They make deals. What's the issue here?

And why do you care who patrols the border on our side? Just don't come sneaking across and you'll have no trouble.

And requirements for Americans? Again, what's it to you?

I like our Ambassador to Canada. If your politicians don't want to stop the America-bashing they won't, but I see nothing wrong with the American Ambassador suggesting that they do so.

Ah yes, the Ranch. Private property. Invitation only. No French spoken there. Schroeder never got an invite. Nor did Chirac. Nor Martin. Oh well. Re-elect that guy Poutine and maybe your luck will change, ranch-wise.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yes, you all have oil and gas and water and lumber and lots more. We have cash. The ending to this one writes itself.

Dispute, dispute, dispute.... This is what businesspeople do. They make deals. What's the issue here?

And why do you care who patrols the border on our side? Just don't come sneaking across and you'll have no trouble.

And requirements for Americans? Again, what's it to you?

I like our Ambassador to Canada. If your politicians don't want to stop the America-bashing they won't, but I see nothing wrong with the American Ambassador suggesting that they do so.

Ah yes, the Ranch. Private property. Invitation only. No French spoken there. Schroeder never got an invite. Nor did Chirac. Nor Martin. Oh well. Re-elect that guy Poutine and maybe your luck will change, ranch-wise.

Most of what I said was tongue in cheek.

The problem with the requirement of a passport, was that they're expensive, and it's generally agreed that requiring such would drastically curtail US tourism to canada. As it turns out, both govts agreed, and they're going to issue a new, much less expensive 'travel document' to be used instead.

I liked the old US ambassador. This guy has a habit of sticking his nose into things, but I suppose he does that on orders.

Our last PM, the one without the invite, was named Paul Martin.

 

[Fong]

you really haven't got a fucking clue, have you.
here's the FACTS: ALL of your middle east problems are 100% of your OWN making.
Every single one.
Thank fuck ignorant idiots like you haven't got a scrap of power....oh, hang on....

That is not really true tho is it Red.

If you actually look at the politics behind most of the 'hard-core' terrorist groups like Al-Q, it has nothing to do with America's involvement in the middle east, nothing to do with anything they do at all.

It is a lot more to do with the idealogy of Capitalism vs Islamic life.

The entire idea of consumption and greed is abhorrant to these people and it is THAT which they are fighting.

If America withdrew from the Mid East, the terrorists would STILL be attacking them, because the American way of life is as far as they are concerned attacking the core values of Islam by its very existence.

Making bullshit excuses like its all their fault cause they gave money to some radical group, is just rubbish.

Freedom, capitlism, freewill, atheism, christianity, democracy, these are the things these terrorists are fighting, not the fact that America buys Saudi oil from a corrupt regime.

I mean think about it, who did the Americans fund in Afghanistan, the Taleban, who did the Taleban help? Al-Q.

So if the americans were giving money to the Taleban and the Taleban were supporting and helping Al-Q, then why the hell are Al-Q upset with America, if it were not for them, they wouldn't have had a base of operations and their 'friends' wouldn't have been in power.

Fuck all to do with that, and this lazy through process that it is all America's fault really is crap.

 

[rogue yam]

I know your soldiers are. And I won't go too far if you'll refrain from calling canadians or canadian soldiers cowards.

Canadian soldiers are not cowards and I would never suggest otherwise. Further, I think it would be unfair and incorrect to call Canadians in general cowards. However, there is some very French-like behavior going on up there within your ruling elite, and I think that this is a fair subject for criticism. It is my opinion that you all should be in Iraq. Further, I think you all should be cooperating more on missile defense. Finally, I think that your military should be bigger and more capable. I saw just today or yesterday a story that Canada was at least considering beefing up your military and cooperating more closely with the U.S. This is just what I'd like to see.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Canadian soldiers are not cowards and I would never suggest otherwise. Further, I think it would be unfair and incorrect to call Canadians in general cowards. However, there is some very French-like behavior going on up there within your ruling elite, and I think that this is a fair subject for criticism. It is my opinion that you all should be in Iraq. Further, I think you all should be cooperating more on missile defense. Finally, I think that your military should be bigger and more capable. I saw just today or yesterday a story that Canada was at least considering beefing up your military and cooperating more closely with the U.S. This is just what I'd like to see.

See my last post. Also, the Liberals no longer form the govt, and if you check into the policies of the new party, the Conservatives, you'll find them to be fairly different.

 

[rogue yam]

Most of what I said was tongue in cheek.

Same here.

The problem with the requirement of a passport, was that they're expensive, and it's generally agreed that requiring such would drastically curtail US tourism to canada. As it turns out, both govts agreed, and they're going to issue a new, much less expensive 'travel document' to be used instead.

Well, ok. Sounds like they've got it sorted. I sometimes overlook the passport issue because I've had one for thirty years. I forget that most Americans don't.

I liked the old US ambassador. This guy has a habit of sticking his nose into things, but I suppose he does that on orders.

Certainly it was on orders. President Bush hates it when supposed allies bash America for domestic political gain. It goes quite exactly against his culture and upbringing, which is all about manners and loyalty. Schroeder pulled this crap in 2002 and was never forgiven. Our Ambassador was doing you all a favor by warning you away from such a situation, as it could really harm the relationship.

Our last PM, the one without the invite, was named Paul Martin.

Yes, I mentioned P.M. Martin. Did you not get my joke about P.M. Poutine?

 

[Rentonite]

At the moment, it's our soldiers getting blown up in Afghanistan, not yours, so you know what you can do with your comments.

Johnny Ya know I was smileing when I said that....